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re: Orgeron's trajectory since Ole Miss is super positive
Posted on 7/29/17 at 7:45 am to siliconvalleytiger
Posted on 7/29/17 at 7:45 am to siliconvalleytiger
First of all as an LSU alum and lifelong fan, I want success for LSU regardless of who the HC is. So yes I want O to be great here.
No I did not support the process nor his hire.
No I don't believe a successful record as an interim is necessarily a good indicator of success as a HC. There are many reasons why. The main one for me is pretty simple.
There is a HUGE difference from taking over and managing someone else's program than building your own. Last season for example. After Les and Cam were fired and Ensminger was promoted LSU didn't change the playbook we still used the same playbook, toss dive etc.
O and Steve deserve tremendous credit for taking Les/Cam O and making it better. Not a little better but a lot better. It was great to see.
O did similar when taking over for Kiffin.
But there is a difference in managing someone else's O and D and creating/developing/gameplanning your own. The only record we have to go on for O running O's system is Ole Miss.
At USC he ran Kiffin's at LSU he ran Les's
Further after he left OM, O went back to being a DL coach, never a DC. Never had to develop and be responsible for a gameplan.
Can he do it? Sure he did for 35 games using HIS system at Ole Miss.
If folks here don't get that while O deserves tremendous credit for taking over bad situations at 2 places and turning them around in the middle of season, they are not being fair to O. The job he did at both should be acknowledged. In fact it may even be MORE difficult than being the HC and implementing your own system. There are "fixer" guys in sports that can come on and do that. O has proven to be one.
That said. A fixer who comes in with a staff already set, support staff already set, players, playbook already set requires a much different skillset than making every hire, and developing and implementing your philosophy.
Those are 2 radically different jobs. And O has a great record at mid season fixes and a poor one when as HC he designed and implemented his system.
I get that those here suggest we'll be fine if CEO will be a CEO and let coaches coach. I think he will too to some extent but the truth is, that lasts up and until the first loss or probably even the first subpar performance in a W.
No matter how much control O cedes to the Coordinators, O and everyone knows ultimately it's his responsibility. And he can't stand in front of the media and react to a poor performance by saying "well Dave runs the D you'll have to ask him or Matt runs the O you'll have to ask him or do we have a Special Teams coach yet? Anyway if we fumble a punt or kickoff he can't say "well talk to Coach X"
Plus this is O's dream job. Does anyone here really doubt that no matter how much he trusts his Coordinator's that O will not put his fingerprints on the philosophy and gameplans and play calls and timeouts and calls to go on 4th or not?
I'll close with I hope O goes down as the best coach in LSU history. I truly do. But a fair review of his resume would cause concern for any fair minded person.
No I did not support the process nor his hire.
No I don't believe a successful record as an interim is necessarily a good indicator of success as a HC. There are many reasons why. The main one for me is pretty simple.
There is a HUGE difference from taking over and managing someone else's program than building your own. Last season for example. After Les and Cam were fired and Ensminger was promoted LSU didn't change the playbook we still used the same playbook, toss dive etc.
O and Steve deserve tremendous credit for taking Les/Cam O and making it better. Not a little better but a lot better. It was great to see.
O did similar when taking over for Kiffin.
But there is a difference in managing someone else's O and D and creating/developing/gameplanning your own. The only record we have to go on for O running O's system is Ole Miss.
At USC he ran Kiffin's at LSU he ran Les's
Further after he left OM, O went back to being a DL coach, never a DC. Never had to develop and be responsible for a gameplan.
Can he do it? Sure he did for 35 games using HIS system at Ole Miss.
If folks here don't get that while O deserves tremendous credit for taking over bad situations at 2 places and turning them around in the middle of season, they are not being fair to O. The job he did at both should be acknowledged. In fact it may even be MORE difficult than being the HC and implementing your own system. There are "fixer" guys in sports that can come on and do that. O has proven to be one.
That said. A fixer who comes in with a staff already set, support staff already set, players, playbook already set requires a much different skillset than making every hire, and developing and implementing your philosophy.
Those are 2 radically different jobs. And O has a great record at mid season fixes and a poor one when as HC he designed and implemented his system.
I get that those here suggest we'll be fine if CEO will be a CEO and let coaches coach. I think he will too to some extent but the truth is, that lasts up and until the first loss or probably even the first subpar performance in a W.
No matter how much control O cedes to the Coordinators, O and everyone knows ultimately it's his responsibility. And he can't stand in front of the media and react to a poor performance by saying "well Dave runs the D you'll have to ask him or Matt runs the O you'll have to ask him or do we have a Special Teams coach yet? Anyway if we fumble a punt or kickoff he can't say "well talk to Coach X"
Plus this is O's dream job. Does anyone here really doubt that no matter how much he trusts his Coordinator's that O will not put his fingerprints on the philosophy and gameplans and play calls and timeouts and calls to go on 4th or not?
I'll close with I hope O goes down as the best coach in LSU history. I truly do. But a fair review of his resume would cause concern for any fair minded person.
Posted on 7/29/17 at 8:10 am to siliconvalleytiger
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(if you consider USC top tier which is debatable
Posted on 7/29/17 at 8:27 am to Elleshoe
I know little flute player, no one is tired of your constant shitting on O...what a fkn loser. Never played a sport, a complete nerd, but knows what it takes to play sports
Posted on 7/29/17 at 8:28 am to Kedwards1
Go sell some used cars you insignificant sack of dog shite. We all know you're an alter
Posted on 7/29/17 at 8:39 am to whitefoot
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Those would have been terribly uninspiring hires
Yeah, a DL coach off our staff that NO AD in all of college football had even been willing to hire as a DC in ten years after crapping out big time in his only other HC try is much more inspiring.
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I liked the way the team played under him.
Yeah, scoring ZERO points at HOME to Alabama and ten points at HOME to 14 point dog Florida was some inspired play. LSU beat up on BAD run defenses by playing starters almost the whole game and lose to teams who could stop the run. So much different than the years before.
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why don't we let the season play out before we crown or shite on Orgeron
I am disappointed with the hiring process that gave us O. I don't understand it. We can try to cover it with roses, but it still stinks. It's possibly the biggest fricking gamble EVER by a football power school. None of that will stop me from cheering my head off for O and the team come the season.
Posted on 7/29/17 at 8:42 am to NoGeaux
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I want success for LSU regardless of who the HC is. So yes I want O to be great here.
absolutely!
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No I did not support the process nor his hire.
nobody with any perspective, rationality or objectivity who knows two licks about football would have either.
But we have assclowns here in this thread already calling people names yet cannot rebutt any facts or criticisms laid out.
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But a fair review of his resume would cause concern for any fair minded person.
ya think?
Posted on 7/29/17 at 8:57 am to whitefoot
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Considering apparently people around here would have preferred Larry Fedora or Mike Gundy...
...Chip Kelly, Nick Saban, Jon Gruden, and a jillion other folks who aint comin.
Posted on 7/29/17 at 8:59 am to GeorgeReymond
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4-8 Missouri
7-6 Southern Miss
5-7 Ole Miss
7-6 Arkansas
8-5 A&M
9-4 Louisville
First time I've seen it Like this. I knew they weren't good teams but dammmmn
Posted on 7/29/17 at 9:03 am to Fat Bastard
Who the frick is blindly supporting O you pathetic piece of miserable shite. Some of us choose to accept, are actually optimistic with the direction of the program, and are withholding our judgement until actual results of the season...instead of daily bitching and whining about the hire, and constant shitting on O. You are some miserable fricks in life.
Simply reply is I don't lije the hire, but I'll wait to pass judgement. Not you arse clowns. Y'all flock to a positive thread like a pack of liberal Democrats and kneejerk your way to repeating the same shite everyday. You got a gd band member in here that claims he is smarter about coaching than lifelong high level coaches. Gfy.
Simply reply is I don't lije the hire, but I'll wait to pass judgement. Not you arse clowns. Y'all flock to a positive thread like a pack of liberal Democrats and kneejerk your way to repeating the same shite everyday. You got a gd band member in here that claims he is smarter about coaching than lifelong high level coaches. Gfy.
Posted on 7/29/17 at 9:06 am to SportTiger1
And they beat the shite out of all of them, including the 4 bowl teams. You pathetic racist pos
Posted on 7/29/17 at 9:07 am to Darth Aranda
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You can't argue that there were much much better options out there.
There were much better options out there.
Posted on 7/29/17 at 9:09 am to Mo Jeaux
I forgot your name earlier. Can't wait for the season to start so you can shut your loser mouth up
Posted on 7/29/17 at 9:13 am to siliconvalleytiger
there's been no "trajectory." O hasn't been a permanent head coach anywhere since Ole Miss.
Posted on 7/29/17 at 9:14 am to Kedwards1
And you're an alter that sells used cars out of Monroe
Posted on 7/29/17 at 9:15 am to Space Cowboy
quote:You mean 2005, his very first season where you could tell immediately he was scared to death to inherit the team and make it his own, even the players said so back then. That they weren't sure about this guy and that they needed him to get behind them. He knew it was Saban's players and was just very apprehensive. Even so, he is blowing out Tennessee in the first half in LSU's first game after Katrina and collapses badly in the second half against a Clausen led comeback for Tennessee, a player that transferred from LSU because he wasn't any good.
Not to mention that he should have won one at least in 2006,
but LSU goes on to blow out everybody else that season enroute to the SECCG against Georgia who was scared to death of LSU and they lose badly to these people. Saban would have easily won his second NC that year.
This post was edited on 7/29/17 at 9:39 am
Posted on 7/29/17 at 9:18 am to Kedwards1
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but I'll wait to pass judgement.
it has been stated i am on the fence in the past and hope he wins multiple titles. Can you read?
Is that you Ponamsky? Again you just proved my points with your diatribe.
Posted on 7/29/17 at 9:20 am to Kedwards1
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I forgot your name earlier. Can't wait for the season to start so you can shut your loser mouth up
Cool.
Posted on 7/29/17 at 9:21 am to tubucoco
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Saban would have easily won his second NC that year.
Team would have done worse. Saban is a control freak and the Katrina/Rita distractions would have cost him a few games.
Posted on 7/29/17 at 9:22 am to Fat Bastard
Then why do you continue to bash him daily? That's not on the fence. I guess it makes you feel better
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