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re: 'Dunkirk' Discussion Thread - Spoilers

Posted on 7/25/17 at 7:05 pm to
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 7:05 pm to
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The complaints about the movie lacking character development miss the mark, IMO


I agree. This is one of those movies where this isn't a bad thing. Dunkirk is all about the spectacle of it. The film makes you feel like you're balls deep in a ridiculous hopeless war. When the boats from Britain came, that alone just makes it worth it. It is Kubrickian in that fashion. Watched it this afternoon, and thoroughly enjoyed it.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 7:12 pm to
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My one criticism is : why did the pilot land on the beach in enemy territory? He couldve landed on the beach next to British troops.


If he wanted a crash landing, sure. Being a Brit imprisoned by the Nazis wasn't too bad. If this was the Pacific front though, yeah I'd take the crashing risk.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 7:15 pm to
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Hans zimmer is a lock to win best score. That was amazing and set the tone and pace of the movie .


Ummm yeah. I'm thinking that score was done on 3 takes tops. He did not let up remotely until the civilian ships arrived. Must have been exhausting to write and conduct the score for this movie.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 7:21 pm to
There were far more bombings from a single plane, or 2, than the skies being filled. Much of this is documented. Nolan clearly chose to show the former, and with reason. CGI looks like shite, man.

As for the flying, I have no clue. I'm not a pilot. It seemed realistic to me, and I think you're being picky. Are you a pilot? Honestly asking, because if so then I'll bow out.

I'll have to rewatch for what you're referring to with the hull.
Posted by cas4t
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 7:24 pm to
It makes the Germans much more menacing and also, Germans are the forefront of every WW2 movie. This movie wasn't about them.
Posted by jg8623
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 8:45 pm to
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Did they ever exceed 30 degrees angle of bank?


There was multiple times with the first person camera view where they went damn near 90, much less 30 degrees
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 9:07 pm
Posted by cas4t
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Posted on 7/26/17 at 12:24 am to
I'm convinced he's trolling.
Posted by Udvarnoky
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 7/28/17 at 7:32 am to
Saw this in a regular cinema last night, and found it amazing.

Where are you folks seeing this in film IMAX? There are no Louisiana options for that.* Closest venue appears to be Birmingham.

*What Elmwood is offering is 70mm but not 70mm IMAX. Still superb and worth the drive I have no doubt but it is distinct.
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 7:37 am
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 7/28/17 at 8:19 am to
Several parts in the movie just left me confused.

How is it those soldiers just leisurely jog up to that beached boat but then hours later they're taking on fire? If they were that close to the German line why didn't they take fire when approaching the boat.

Why did Tom Hardy land in some remote area of the beach just to get taken by the Nazi's. He was out of fuel right there next to English/French portion of Dunkirk. Why didn't he just put it down in the water several hundred yards out and parachute out? Did his plane require power to eject?

I also didn't understand why Tom Hardy's plane had a French flag but this is probably just me showing some ignorance regarding WW2 history.
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 8:38 am
Posted by Udvarnoky
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 7/28/17 at 8:59 am to
As you say, the Germans came along "hours later," which is plenty time enough to stumble upon the beached boat.

I think the idea with Hardy is that he was not high enough off the ground by the time he was gliding for a parachute to do him any good, so he committed to landing which without fuel meant riding it out.
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 9:01 am
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 7/28/17 at 9:58 am to
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As you say, the Germans came along "hours later," which is plenty time enough to stumble upon the beached boat.



So the germans just stumble onto the boat on a beach that is just a bit down from all of the English soldiers? And they take target practice at a boat instead of having an all out battle with the hundreds of thousands of soldiers right nearby.

Maybe im not understanding how far down this boat was from the main contingent of troops but im pretty sure at one point it shows of of the commanders on the mole notice the boat with his naked eye.

And moreso when the 3 soliders lying on the beach see a group of soldiers running towards the boat they look up and the boat is basically just a couple of hundred yards off.

Perhaps i'd need to rewatch that sequence again but I'm just not really understanding it.
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 10:02 am
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:00 am to
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So the germans just stumble onto the boat on a beach that is just a bit down from all of the English soldiers? And they take target practice at a boat instead of having an all out battle with the hundreds of thousands of soldiers right nearby.


Who knows how far the tide took them
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96074 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:02 am to
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So the germans just stumble onto the boat on a beach that is just a bit down from all of the English soldiers? And they take target practice at a boat instead of having an all out battle with the hundreds of thousands of soldiers right nearby.


Who knows how far the tide took them


They were floating at this point? If that's the case why were they trying to get the french soldier to jump because they had too much weight?

I thought the whole purpose of making him get off the boat was because they were still beached due to too much weight.

That was another thing that didnt make sense. This heavy arse boat is beached but lets make 1 guy jump off and we'll just sail right on out of here.
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 10:03 am
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:03 am to
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hat was another thing that didnt make sense. This heavy arse boat is beached but lets make 1 guy jump off and we'll just sail right on out of here.


They were scared Army guys who probably didn't know a thing about boats.
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96074 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:04 am to
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hat was another thing that didnt make sense. This heavy arse boat is beached but lets make 1 guy jump off and we'll just sail right on out of here.


They were scared Army guys who probably didn't know a thing about boats.



they were also probably hysterical. so i kinda get that, still took one guy long enough to say "uhh guys 1 person isnt going to make a difference"
Posted by Pfft
Member since Jul 2014
3799 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 12:22 pm to
The three helmets, yes I saw that. Did they speak? Just being a smart arse, but I guess no one caught that.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 12:50 pm to
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My one criticism is : why did the pilot land on the beach in enemy territory? He couldve landed on the beach next to British troops.

If he wanted a crash landing, sure. Being a Brit imprisoned by the Nazis wasn't too bad. If this was the Pacific front though, yeah I'd take the crashing risk.


He might reasonably not have known that the Germans controlled that bit of beach.

Landing on the beach was better than a water landing. Look what almost happened to his buddy.

I have seen so many articles of how the author said "Nolan didn't do this, this or this."

In both "Sink the Bismarck!" and "The Longest Day" the story had these huge command centers with female soldiers with headsets pushing little icons around on a giant map.



And someone says, "Force H has cleared the Pillars of Hercules," or "Lord Lovat has reached Pegasus Bridge."



Force H gunning for KMS Bismarck



Okay that isn't Lord Lovat. It's Peter Lawford. But you know what I mean.

Okay, those movies needed that. "Dunkirk" did not. Nolan made a movie of what HE thought was needed. That is a very cool thing.


This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 12:57 pm
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30530 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 1:08 pm to
I'm convinced he's trolling

I'm not trolling. I thought it was a very lame attempt at showing air to air combat. Did any of the pilots ever change their voice inflection due to grunting/straining/exertion during the dogfights? Anyone who has done so much as a Chandelle or a wingover in a Cessna or Piper put more effort into it than what was seemingly displayed in the movie.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 1:34 pm to
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I'm not trolling. I thought it was a very lame attempt at showing air to air combat. Did any of the pilots ever change their voice inflection due to grunting/straining/exertion during the dogfights? Anyone who has done so much as a Chandelle or a wingover in a Cessna or Piper put more effort into it than what was seemingly displayed in the movie.


That is actually a good point. Maybe it was you who said that all the maneuvers were very gentle and also in the horizontal. And low, very low.
Posted by Michael T. Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2004
8273 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 9:43 pm to
Just got back. I liked it, but I really had a difficult time understanding dialogue at times. It was sort of like I was reliving the Bane discussion in my head following the first screenings of The Dark Knight Rises before the issue was improved.
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