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When watching Barry Sanders' highlights, how does one justify a better RB than him?
Posted on 7/16/17 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 7/16/17 at 12:51 pm
Some of the highlights look like a video game, if not, more spectacular. I understand the greatness that we've seen from Sayers, Payton, Brown, E. Smith, A. Peterson, Faulk and several others. But, is anyone in the same class as Barry Sanders?
Posted on 7/16/17 at 12:57 pm to Paul Allen
Depends on your definition - video game joystick swivel hips or guy who is faster, pounds through the lines and always gets positive yards.
It's easy to get seduced by Sanders because he was and looks amazing in highlight reels. Because that's what they show you - the highlights.
They don't show you all the negative yards he lost dancing back there...Barry always wanted the homerun. And when he got that breakaway he would way too often get tackled at the 5-yard line.
If you were going with a back in the 90's for your fantasy team, you took Emmitt Smith. He had the yards and more importantly, the TDs.
It's easy to get seduced by Sanders because he was and looks amazing in highlight reels. Because that's what they show you - the highlights.
They don't show you all the negative yards he lost dancing back there...Barry always wanted the homerun. And when he got that breakaway he would way too often get tackled at the 5-yard line.
If you were going with a back in the 90's for your fantasy team, you took Emmitt Smith. He had the yards and more importantly, the TDs.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 7/16/17 at 1:10 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Emmitt Smith
To be fair he played behind an amazing offensive line and played for much, much better teams than Sanders did.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 1:13 pm to JoeHackett
I couldn't imagine what Sanders would have done with a good o-line
Posted on 7/16/17 at 1:13 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
It's easy to get seduced by Sanders because he was and looks amazing in highlight reels. Because that's what they show you - the highlights.
They don't show you all the negative yards he lost dancing back there...Barry always wanted the homerun. And when he got that breakaway he would way too often get tackled at the 5-yard line.
Yet, he still has one of the highest ypc in NFL history.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 1:21 pm to Paul Allen
Sanders is still the best RB I've ever seen.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 1:32 pm to Paul Allen
The best argument for Barry Sanders being the best RB of all-time or at least in the conversation is that he made the Pro Bowl and All-Pro team every single season he was in the NFL. That means Barry at his very worst was still a Pro Bowl and second team All-Pro RB. Sanders was remarkably consistent in a position that is incredibly volatile. The only RB who has a better track record is Jim Brown who led the NFL in rushing every season he played except one.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 1:36 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:You're overstating him dancing. He had no choice. He had to dance. He had to juke. He had no choice. What all time great rbs had equally awful olines and mediocre qbs?
They don't show you all the negative yards he lost dancing back there...Barry always wanted the homerun.
To answer the OP, ingorance and bias are the only reasons to say anyone else was as good or better than Sanders.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 1:37 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:i can think of like 5 running backs in the 90s off the top of my head that I would choose before ES if I were starting a team
Emmitt Smith
Barry
Thurmon
Ricky Running Watters
Faulk
shite even Jamal Anderson
Emmit was a product of his surroundings even more so than Terrell Davis, whom I'd also pick ahead
Posted on 7/16/17 at 1:41 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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They don't show you all the negative yards he lost dancing back there
I love how people tote out this ignorant line of thought as if it means something. Sure, if Samders was a 4 ypc rusher but that isn't the case. As pointed out, Sanders danced because he had to. He had defenders at his feet as he was receiving the hand off. It's not like he's juking air. Is he supposed to just let them tackle him?
Posted on 7/16/17 at 1:47 pm to theducks
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I love how people tote out this ignorant line of thought
Like saying his OL was terrible? I mean he had 2 Pro Bowl OL.
Eric Dickerson had worse QB than Sanders and possibly worse WR to help.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 7/16/17 at 1:49 pm to sms151t
Two OL does not make an OL.
Are you insisting Sanders was purposely waiting for defenders to get into the backfield?
Are you insisting Sanders was purposely waiting for defenders to get into the backfield?
Posted on 7/16/17 at 1:50 pm to Paul Allen
Efficiency, consistency, lack of lost yards. Guys like Jim Brown, Walter Payton, O.J. Simpson and Emmitt Smith were ideal fantasy backs because of consistent brilliance and their remarkable ability to score TDs. Barry's the greatest boom or bust running back but there would be games where he submitted pedestrian to putrid stats and others with tremendously prolific stats all within the same season. Can't really argue that about the other 4 presented.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 1:50 pm to JoeHackett
No doubt Smith played behind one of the best O-lines ever.
That's never questioned. Aikman and him benefited greatly.
But Smith also took what he was given.
No knock on Barry because he had to create...sometimes he would get hit a second after taking the hand-off...but later his lines weren't terrible. That's a common myth that his line was so bad. It wasn't the Cowboys line but it wasn't some clown show.
Again, maybe because he thought he had to do too much but Barry just couldn't take the 3 yards in front of him...and so often his offense would start going backwards.
You just can't lose yards in football - that's a cardinal sin - for a running back. Always be going forward. But Barry was a maestro so he gambled too much in sandlot shite.
That's never questioned. Aikman and him benefited greatly.
But Smith also took what he was given.
No knock on Barry because he had to create...sometimes he would get hit a second after taking the hand-off...but later his lines weren't terrible. That's a common myth that his line was so bad. It wasn't the Cowboys line but it wasn't some clown show.
Again, maybe because he thought he had to do too much but Barry just couldn't take the 3 yards in front of him...and so often his offense would start going backwards.
You just can't lose yards in football - that's a cardinal sin - for a running back. Always be going forward. But Barry was a maestro so he gambled too much in sandlot shite.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 7/16/17 at 1:54 pm to theducks
No I'm saying your argument isn't that good when you put it up to others when discussing surrounding talent on offense.
Sanders had the perfect offense for him. Run zones and less men in box due to the 4 wide sets and overloads to motion that gave him better lanes.
Sanders is not even best 20 to play RB in Detroit
Sanders had the perfect offense for him. Run zones and less men in box due to the 4 wide sets and overloads to motion that gave him better lanes.
Sanders is not even best 20 to play RB in Detroit
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 7/16/17 at 1:55 pm to sms151t
The Lions offense of the 90s really improved when Tom Moore was OC and Scott Mitchell was the QB. He was among the best QBs in 1995 with Herman Moore catching like 100 passes, another common myth that Scott Mitchell was the worst thing since the plague from all the haters.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 1:59 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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mizzoubuckeyeiowa
If ES and BS would have completely traded places, you feel ES would have still had better career numbers?
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:00 pm to JoeHackett
Also the Cowboys offense was predicated around Smith and his production on the ground, hence the lack of gaudy QB stats from Aikman with among the best WR corps ever.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:01 pm to SuperSaint
Emmitt would've put numbers up in any offense. But your question is dumb
Emmitt would've had Lorenzo White and Highsmith type Oiler numbers which is 1200 yds
Emmitt would've had Lorenzo White and Highsmith type Oiler numbers which is 1200 yds
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 2:04 pm
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