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re: UAW files petition to unionize Nissan Canton, MS plant
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:20 am to The Spleen
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:20 am to The Spleen
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Unions aren't flourishing today because the Democratic party started abandoning them in the 80's, just when the Republican party escalated their assault on them.
No, just. No.
Unions aren't flourishing because they have no reason to exist anymore. They did their job. Now it's just a matter of enriching the union bosses.
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:31 am to The Spleen
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legal protection, etc.
What legal protection do they provide that isn't already provided for by the state of Mississippi and the United States government?
The only thing the union wants is $$$$ Social Media and the internet should have already put unions under.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:39 am to Pax Regis
The UAW has tried to unionize this plant several times in the last decade and obviously failed. Nissan officials responded in the local paper that if the plant were unionized they would move their plant to Mexico. A lot of people will be out of work over a few cuss heads.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:46 am to Centinel
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Unions aren't flourishing because they have no reason to exist anymore.
Well that's not true. Nissan likely does pay well and provides adequate benefits to its employees. For those workers, there probably isn't a huge benefit to unionizing. But anytime one of these auto plants opens up, a bunch of parts factories also open, and those places have a spotty record of safety, adequate pay, benefits, etc. And these parts suppliers aren't going to unionize until the big plant does.
This is on the Alabama auto industry, and likely isn't much different than the Mississippi one.
Bloomberg
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:56 am to The Spleen
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And these parts suppliers aren't going to unionize until the big plant does.
Actually some suppliers ARE unionized even though the big plant isn't.
Also that Bloomberg article is such one-sided emotional heart wringing bullshite. For example the girl that was killed at Ajin walked past safety barriers into a machine that she operated that pressed doors together to clear it WITHOUT DE-ENERGIZING the machine. It's tragic but it's also dumb as frick. Not to mention what the hell is the UAW going to do about that kind of idiocy.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 11:07 am
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:00 am to Pax Regis
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For example the girl that was killed at Ajin walked past safety barriers into a machine that she operated that pressed doors together to clear it WITHOUT DE-ENERGIZING the machine.
Okay, but..
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Ajin, according to OSHA, had never given the workers their own safety locks and training on how to use them, as required by federal law.
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Not to mention what the hell is the UAW going to do about that kind of idiocy.
Unions generally make sure the employer maintains proper safety precautions and training.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:04 am to The Spleen
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Ajin, according to OSHA, had never given the workers their own safety locks and training on how to use them, as required by federal law.
Firstly, I don't believe everything the news or Obama's union-loving OSHA says.
Secondly, who needs to be trained to understand not to walk into a machine like that past safety barriers which you have operated and watched press parts? It's like saying a person must be trained not to jump off a bridge - the hazard is open and obvious. My 10 year old would not have done that because he knows better.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 11:07 am
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:06 am to The Spleen
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Unions generally make sure the employer maintains proper safety precautions and training.
Then why do we have OSHA?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:07 am to The Spleen
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And these parts suppliers aren't going to unionize until the big plant does.
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When emergency crews arrived several minutes later, Elsea was still stuck. The rescue workers finally did what Elsea had failed to do: locked out the machine’s emergency power switch so it couldn’t reenergize again—a basic precaution that all factory workers are supposed to take before troubleshooting any industrial robot.
There is no way to stop people from being stupid. This girl died because she did something she had no business doing.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:09 am to Pax Regis
The election may depend on the racial makeup of the plant.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:11 am to Purple Spoon
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he union will win the day but will have very little operational impact.
But the union will see a significant impact on their finances in the form of sweet, sweet dues money.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:13 am to chinhoyang
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The election may depend on the racial makeup of the plant.
It's vast majority African-American - which is why the UAW is trying desperately to cast this as a struggle for civil rights which of course it is not.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:14 am to Pax Regis
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Not to mention what the hell is the UAW going to do about that kind of idiocy.
Gladly accept the idiot's union dues until the dumbass does something blatantly stupid and dies.
Then replace idiot with someone else to pay dues.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:15 am to Pax Regis
Yeah, I already conceded she contributed to her own death. You don't have to make that point twice.
The factory also contributed to it as well though. Unrealistic quotas, high demands to meet those quotas, already low pay ties to those quotas, an unresponsive maintenance staff, apparent inadeqaute safety training. All things a union could have possibly helped avoid by holding the company to a higher standard for its members.
The factory also contributed to it as well though. Unrealistic quotas, high demands to meet those quotas, already low pay ties to those quotas, an unresponsive maintenance staff, apparent inadeqaute safety training. All things a union could have possibly helped avoid by holding the company to a higher standard for its members.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:20 am to chinhoyang
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The election may depend on the racial makeup of the plant.
I live in the shadow of this plant. This is honestly a few dozen workers that have stirred this crap up. The vast majority thinks a union is worthless and that it would do more harm (i.e. give Nissan a chance to leave) than good.
The plant is technically in Canton, but the vast majority of workers are from the Madison/Gluckstadt area - lily white.
I have a friend in management there that has always said if it came to a vote, it might be 80%+ against and that there would never be another vote in our lifetime. It looks like he may get a chance to see.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:21 am to The Spleen
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apparent inadeqaute safety training.
Not really but keep trying from that angle. If anything they failed at making sure their workers didn't do things they had no business doing.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:21 am to Pax Regis
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It's vast majority African-American - which is why the UAW is trying desperately to cast this as a struggle for civil rights which of course it is not.
Not even close to vast majority. It might be 70% white. When they have their Danny Glover/Bernie Sanders rallies it looks like it is majority black, but thats because the baws don't show up.
6,500 workers and this is the typical local rally:
They had Danny Glover and Bernie Sanders and bussed some people in to get this crowd of maybe 1,000:
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 11:29 am
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:23 am to The Spleen
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Unions aren't flourishing today because the Democratic party started abandoning them in the 80's, just when the Republican party escalated their assault on them.
Pretending to entertain this rubbish ... again, if Unions are so great, as you claim, and actually do all of the things you assert, and make life so much better for the average worker ... then why would Unions need the Democratic Party to survive and flourish?
Conditions are highly favorable for the Unions to have the upper hand... people simply keep rejecting it in larger and larger numbers.
Now ... in MS ... yeah, I could see where UAW might not have a tough time there ... particularly if rabble-rousers are barking about civil rights and such.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:27 am to MrLarson
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Not really but keep trying from that angle. If anything they failed at making sure their workers didn't do things they had no business doing.
Once OSHA rolls in ... an employer can have lock-down, solid documentation of hours and hours and hours of training to a person.
Even if that person does something incredibly stupid, OSHA will likely conclude that the training must be inadequate.
Someone can blatantly break their own hand with a hammer, and OSHA will find some way to pin it on the employer/management.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:35 am to The Spleen
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Unions aren't flourishing today because the Democratic party started abandoning them in the 80's, just when the Republican party escalated their assault on them.
Unions aren't flourishing today because federal regulations have replaced some of their functions, and because the economy has shifted to primarily white collar.
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