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re: Opiod addicts will not be covered under TrumpCare
Posted on 6/26/17 at 8:45 am to 225bred
Posted on 6/26/17 at 8:45 am to 225bred
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I'm all for recognizing that drug addiction is an illness and a cureable one! We have a long way to go as a nation in the rehabilitation process for addicts. That being said, it shouldn't be covered under your healthcare or healthcare that is govt subsidized. That's a recipe for disaster.
Pretty much my perspective.
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Posted on 6/26/17 at 8:47 am to matthew25
You're not mean, just stupid. How do you think having a bunch of drug addicts running around and not providing them treatment will effect our society as whole? We will be much better off getting these people help as opposed to letting the crisis get bigger and bigger.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 8:54 am to steadytiger
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No! The opioid crisis is Darwinism in action.
Goddam. You people are unbelievable. I can see why people stop voting republican
Any time you taste power you turn into heartless judges. I love that moderates swing elections
Keep this shite up attacking people dealing with medical issues. That's the lowest of the low. At this rate I'll vote dem next election to spite your hateful asses. I see why leftists had you & why I stay independent.
Independents got to keep you psychos in check.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:18 am to Mulat
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Natural Selection, no I am not kidding
Wrong. You are assuming that addicts would die off before they reproduce. And since addiction is anywhere from 50-80% genetic, natural selection will not end addiction. If this ignorance were true, nature would have corrected for this decades or possibly centuries ago.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:20 am to TitleistProV1X
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didn't realize that diabetics and opioids addicts were similar in any way.
Incredibly similar from a medical standpoint
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:22 am to cajunbama
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Opiod addiction is a goddamn choice
Modern medical science disagrees with you.
It is definitely a clinical disease. Im all for not supporting junkies, but obviously the train of thought in the past has NOT worked. We arent for rehabilitation, which is sad. The only reason I would agree that it should be covered is because over-prescribing of doctors, which will be covered, does have something to do with the addiction crisis seen today.
nb4 heroin junkies dont all start on pain pills. Yes, I'm aware. I didnt say it has EVERYthing to do with it, but one is ignorant to ignore blatant over-prescribing by doctors.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:32 am to AjaxFury
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Goddam. You people are unbelievable. I can see why people stop voting republican
Any time you taste power you turn into heartless judges. I love that moderates swing elections
Keep this shite up attacking people dealing with medical issues. That's the lowest of the low. At this rate I'll vote dem next election to spite your hateful asses. I see why leftists had you & why I stay independent.
Independents got to keep you psychos in check.
TRANSLATION of this jibberish:
"Only Republicans take a position of personal accountability and individual responsibility. They want to take MUH PILLS! They do not wish to pay for MUH PILLS!
There are no Democrats, Moderates, or Independents who would ever take such a position. These people are all about understanding and empathy.
The media and internet tells me so.
Hence, I will vote for the latter. FREE shite ... 'MERICA, frick YEAH!"
I feel bad for people that have legitimate injuries and such and don't pay attention to prescription warnings.
But, it's really not my problem, and I shouldn't have to pay for it.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:32 am to a want
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This thread demonstrates the very essence of Trumpism
It really does.
Bless their little ignorant hearts.Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:40 am to llfshoals
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Even an addict can still exercise their will to stop if they want to.
You are confusing drug abuse with the disease of addiction
Typical ignorance on the subject
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:44 am to matthew25
Serious question:
What percentage of opiod addicts successfully kick the habit? I would say it's very low.
Also, many (if not most) of these rehab and halfway houses are scams and government money grabs.
Those two combined mean that money spent on drug treatment is largely a waste.
What percentage of opiod addicts successfully kick the habit? I would say it's very low.
Also, many (if not most) of these rehab and halfway houses are scams and government money grabs.
Those two combined mean that money spent on drug treatment is largely a waste.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:54 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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What percentage of opiod addicts successfully kick the habit? I would say it's very low.
It's terrible.
Like most drugs, it robs you of all you are ... and all you could ever be.
Most people know this personally ... most (extended) families have at least one member messed up on the shite.
It destroys families. There is not much that can be done about it...except throw money at it, which typically won't help.
Most of the stories never have a happy ending.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:15 am to AjaxFury
quote:Awe, I hurt someone's feelings.
Stop fricking talking to me gump
Unless you want to give me your home address & we can be ...pen pals
You best toughen up princess. The truth is an unrelenting bitch. No matter how far or fast you run from her she'll still catch you.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:18 am to cajunbama
quote:No. Just someone who understands what a person's will is capable of.
You are confusing drug abuse with the disease of addiction
Typical ignorance on the subject
Is it hard, hell yes it's hard. But it can be done.
Unless you believe they can't, and excuse them not trying.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:28 am to navy
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Only Republicans take a position of personal accountability and individual responsibility. They want to take MUH PILLS! They do not wish to pay for MUH PILLS!
This is the idiocy I talked about. I already posted I paid for my own pills (which I didn't want to take). You don't listen. You just throw out memes and taking points. And you are losing allies in the process. Legalize euthanasia then if you're so concerned about it. You'd likely rather take pleasure in knowing another person is constantly in excruciating pain. Sadist
I'll probably end up blowing my brains out since there's no hope for the South to give any relief that God promised us in Genesis 1:11
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 10:35 am
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:43 am to llfshoals
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No. Just someone who understands what a person's will is capable of. Is it hard, hell yes it's hard. But it can be done. Unless you believe they can't, and excuse them not trying.
Your logical fallacy is anecdotal and not scientific. To hold such a belief, you have to convince yourself that people suffering with addiction could stop if they wanted to enough, and are essentially bad people. Which means you are a good person because you could stop.
This is either ignorance, or a need to feel superior.
This completely ignores the scientifically medical fact that the ones who can't stop have the misfortune of the wrong genetics which is the big difference between those who can and do stop and those who can't.
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 10:46 am
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:50 am to llfshoals
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Awe, I hurt someone's feelings.
You best toughen up princess. The truth is an unrelenting bitch. No matter how far or fast you run from her she'll still catch you.
You are such a little bitch. I'm not & won't be under "Obama or trump care"
Like usual you psychos use this place as your bully pulpit & expose you for the frauds that you are. We have nothing else to talk about. You've already commented on my post. Anything further you just harrassing a person who was on your side.
Leave me be. I may joke with people here & bust balls with one liners that aren't mean spirited, but I don't follow it up with 3-4 posts stalking them just to antagonize.
You're a POS for doing that, & best believe other independents take note on how you treat others dealing with hardships THAT IM NOT ASKING YOU TO PAY FOR. Go harrass someone else. I've been supporting trump like I support every president b/c I love this country. You're just an a-hole who kicks someone when they're down from behind a keyboard
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:53 am to navy
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I feel bad for people that have legitimate injuries and such and don't pay attention to prescription warnings. But, it's really not my problem, and I shouldn't have to pay for it.
Pay less now, or more later. If your were really concerned about your money, instead of making a moral statement, you would support less now.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:54 am to cajunbama
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Opiod addiction is a goddamn choice
Modern medical science disagrees with you.
Are you saying that Opiod addiction isn't the result of a choice? Please elaborate.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:09 am to moneyg
Yes that's what I'm saying. The same for alcoholism which is the same disease as opiod addiction.
I'll use the pain patient example. They have identified about 5-6 genes that cause addiction. Those pain patients with those genetics are going to become drug addicts and need help to stop. They will not have the ability to stop by themselves. Those without that combination of 5-6 genes might have physical addictive symptoms (they will if taken long enough) but they will be able to stop.
It is impossible for the people without those 5-6 genes to get the disease of addiction, which is different from physical addiction.
I'll use the pain patient example. They have identified about 5-6 genes that cause addiction. Those pain patients with those genetics are going to become drug addicts and need help to stop. They will not have the ability to stop by themselves. Those without that combination of 5-6 genes might have physical addictive symptoms (they will if taken long enough) but they will be able to stop.
It is impossible for the people without those 5-6 genes to get the disease of addiction, which is different from physical addiction.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:26 am to cajunbama
Telling an opiod addict to "be a man and just stop taking it" is about as effective as telling someone with diareah "be a man and hold it in, come on, don't be a wuss".
It requires medical treatment and is not just a question of willpower.
It requires medical treatment and is not just a question of willpower.
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