re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in bars

Dueces.

i guess i can't blame these w2/renter plebs for not respecting property rights

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The bartender also has a choice.

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It doesn't work that way. Safe working conditions apply to everyone in every industry, regardless of where you choose to work.

then we better shut down the chemical plants because all those operators get cancer

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Why don't "conservatives" understand that?

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Communities as a whole are the ultimate arbiter of the standards and makeup of the community, especially in small ones like I find myself in. When a community wants to set standards, those standards override the desires of a single individual. Communities do so by electing those to carry out their desires. That is the most basic principal of a republic. This is evidenced in zoning laws, covenants, and all other sorts of regulations throughout the community. On an even more micro scale, you have neighborhood covenants that stand for the same proposition.

Take Madison, MS for example. If you want to open and commercial building there it must be made of brick and you cannot have any sign more than 10 feet off the ground. Why doesn't the landowner have the freedom to make that choice? Because that's what the community wants, and that's what land owners/developers have to abide by. If they don't like it, they can go somewhere else and build. They have the only brick Walmart in the entire country last I heard someone talking about it because of this.

In Oxford, before any sign that goes up visible to the public, private property or not, it must be pre-approved by a special committee that is elected to ensure the historic integrity and appearance of the town. I actually had to go before the committee and get a sign approved for a local business guy to comply with this. You will not find a big national chain on the square in Oxford because they simply do not allow them there. Dry counties are another example. I'm sure every gas station in dry counties would love to sell beer, but the counties continually vote to uphold the regulation.

Smoking bans are no different. If the community as a whole desires smoke free restaurants and bars as the standard, then the community can vote for people to effectuate that desire.

When communities cease to set standards for their community is about they time they go to shite.

im one of the most anti-cigarette people i know; i have never even taken a puff, and i certainly cant stand to be around the smoke/smell while in public

BUT i do believe, as long as its legal, that the business owners should be the ultimate decision makers here.

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And it does work like that. Establishment A-B-C-D are all non smoking. Establishment E-F are smoking allowed.

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Actually, the way it's supposed to work is employees at bars e-f are guaranteed the same safety standards and rights as employees at bars a-b-c-d

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But since smoking is not illegal it comes down to his choice

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Just because something is not illegal does not remove the ability to regulate it. Alcohol is perfectly legal, but yet nearly every municipality, at least in MS, has open container laws. The fact that you have to be 21 to even purchase alcohol is nothing more than a regulation on the consumption of alcohol. Owning a firearm or even shooting a firearm is not illegal, but you can't do it city limits. This is nothing more than a limiting regulation on the use of an otherwise legal act.