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re: Thoughts on Mayor Landrieu's speech before the removal of the monuments?
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:19 pm to L.A.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:19 pm to L.A.
quote:I would say the remarks you quote are spot on. I'm sure you've seen the gentleman who put together funding for the lynching museum in Montgomery recently. I can't think of a more righteous memorial. However, the response on this board was predictably sad.
Thoughts on Mayor Landrieu's speech before the removal of the monuments?
I think he makes some good points. I'd love to hear what others think of the speech.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:19 pm to L.A.
Sorry, I'm more interested in actual results not smoke and mirror speeches. Speeches are for the easily swayed unwashed masses.
This post was edited on 5/24/17 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:19 pm to L.A.
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There is a difference between remembrance of history and reverence of it. For America and New Orleans, it has been a long, winding road, marked by great tragedy and great triumph. But we cannot be afraid of our truth.
By the very nature of removing monuments from a time long past, we are actually being afraid of our truth and our history.
This post was edited on 5/24/17 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:20 pm to ibleedprplngld
quote:Nah. That's what museums are for.
By the very nature of removing monuments from a time long past, we are actually being more afraid of our truth than by remembering our history.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:20 pm to ibleedprplngld
This monuments to the Lost Cause of the Confederacy are not meant to remember history or truth. They are meant to promote fear and dominance.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:24 pm to bamarep
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I didn't hear his speech but as a general rule I think anyone that's into revisionist history is a fricking idiot.
So, you think that those who promoted the Lost Cause are scum? That's a bit harsh. They were just people trying to find some redemption in the past. They went a bit far with throwing up monuments everywhere, but most of them probably weren't scum.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:30 pm to AggieDub14
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They are meant to promote fear and dominance.
You're a terrible troll.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:31 pm to AggieDub14
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This monuments to the Lost Cause of the Confederacy are not meant to remember history or truth.
The truth and history of the City of New Orleans is that it was the largest city of the Confederacy. That is both truth and history. So you mean to tell me, that by removing them, we are not afraid of our history or truth about the city? The monuments represent the truth and history of the city. Agree? So by removing them, you're trying to deny and hide the truth of the city. Are we to remove monuments of the 12 US Presidents who owned slaves in their life times, including George Washington?
This post was edited on 5/24/17 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:36 pm to ibleedprplngld
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The truth and history of the City of New Orleans is that it was the capital city of the Confederacy. That is both truth and history.
It's actually false and a crock of bullshite. Richmond was the capital. You're kidding right? Did you really think it was New Orleans?
Relocating them isn't hiding. Put them in a museum where they belong!
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:41 pm to AggieDub14
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The truth and history of the City of New Orleans is that it was the capital city of the Confederacy. That is both truth and history.
It's actually false and a crock of bullshite. Richmond was the capital. You're kidding right? Did you really think it was New Orleans?
Relocating them isn't hiding. Put them in a museum where they belong!
New Orleans was more akin to the New York City of the Confederacy and much of the city has long been considered (and in many ways deemed) a living museum.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:43 pm to Y.A. Tittle
It wasn't the capital. And the statues don't belong in the streets. Get over it.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:44 pm to L.A.
Umm, a huge Slave Market was a few blocks from the US Capital and was unaffected by the Emancipation Proclamation, which only freed slaves in the South.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:45 pm to AggieDub14
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And the statues don't belong in the streets. Get over it.
Why not?
Why don't y'all destroy the Alamo?
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:46 pm to AggieDub14
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It wasn't the capital.
I know.
quote:
And the statues don't belong in the streets.
Says who? Nobody for basically 130 years said they didn't. I'm not sure what was suddenly revealed.
quote:Okay. Nothing really to get over here. Why are you so worked up over the issue, though?
Get over it.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:49 pm to L.A.
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And it immediately begs the questions: why there are no slave ship monuments, no prominent markers on public land to remember the lynchings or the slave blocks; nothing to remember this long chapter of our lives; the pain, the sacrifice, the shame … all of it happening on the soil of New Orleans.
Was there some law stopping people from making monuments like that?
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:50 pm to AggieDub14
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It wasn't the capital.
Correct. I'll eat crow on that one. My bad
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And the statues don't belong in the streets.
Point still stands. Are we to remove all nation monuments just because the subject of them happen to own slaves? Hell let's just get rid of the Constitution all together being as it was primarily authored by James Madison.
Take George Washington off of the dollar, take Andrew Jackson off of the twenty, Thomas Jefferson off the hundred.
If you're going to remove national monuments because of slavery, it's going be a long a slippery slope.
This post was edited on 5/24/17 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:51 pm to L.A.
I need to listen to the whole speech, but the part where makes the argument people are leaving because of statues is laughably bad.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:51 pm to Damone
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Was there some law stopping people from making monuments like that?
The law that requires actual money payment for building such things. Tearing down shite built, and for which money was raised by citizens, 130 years ago is much cheaper.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:54 pm to Y.A. Tittle
I mean I understand his point, bad shite happened hundreds of years ago. Bad shite has happened throughout history. People understand that, the existence of some monument to an individual, not an ideal, does not erase or minimize the suffering of others.
It is funny that the New York Times, Chicago Tribune, and Washington Post have all printed glowing columns about Mitch's speech. I guess Mary pulled some strings and is trying to help him stem the tide of bad press.
It is funny that the New York Times, Chicago Tribune, and Washington Post have all printed glowing columns about Mitch's speech. I guess Mary pulled some strings and is trying to help him stem the tide of bad press.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Texas won our revolution. The Alamo stays. No need to keep monuments for losers. Might as well build a giant participation trophy.
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