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re: Which War Would Result In The Most Severe PTSD For Soldiers?
Posted on 5/3/17 at 6:37 pm to Sao
Posted on 5/3/17 at 6:37 pm to Sao
I'm going with WW1
Reasons:
-Artillery barrages that lasted for DAYS that only led up to defending an assault.
-Antiquated tactics in the face of modern weaponry
-Most widespread use of chemical warfare ever
-Battles that had 50K KIA/WIA in a single day. That is just astounding. (See third point)
Reasons:
-Artillery barrages that lasted for DAYS that only led up to defending an assault.
-Antiquated tactics in the face of modern weaponry
-Most widespread use of chemical warfare ever
-Battles that had 50K KIA/WIA in a single day. That is just astounding. (See third point)
Posted on 5/3/17 at 6:39 pm to Sao
WW1 by a mile. However the point about killing your country men has weight. Having an "enemy" not look anything like you (Vietnam) or even who does but doesn't speak your language (Nazis), you can dehumanize them. Someone who looks thinks and acts like you in everyday is a little harder.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 6:41 pm to Sao
WW1. Easily. Modernization of the battlefield, trench warfare, and chemical weapons.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 6:44 pm to Sao
Pacific WWII beach landings. Not sure how you could come out of that mentality healthy.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 6:57 pm to Sao
WWI
This was the first war in which men were under the pressure of battle for days at a time with noe relief or relaxation.
The generals were using 100 year old tactics to fight modern machinery that had become exponentially more deadly such as machine guns and artillery that was ever increasing sophistication and lethality. Not to mention the lack of supplies due to automobiles not being in full force yet and horses not being able to maintain the supply properly.
WWI is probably the correct answer here
This was the first war in which men were under the pressure of battle for days at a time with noe relief or relaxation.
The generals were using 100 year old tactics to fight modern machinery that had become exponentially more deadly such as machine guns and artillery that was ever increasing sophistication and lethality. Not to mention the lack of supplies due to automobiles not being in full force yet and horses not being able to maintain the supply properly.
WWI is probably the correct answer here
Posted on 5/3/17 at 6:58 pm to Sao
WW1 by a mile. Sleeping in a mixture of mud and the decomposing bodies of your comrades for months on end, dodging gas and artillery attacks. And if you get lucky, "going over the top", and charging entrenched machine gun positions.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 6:59 pm to Sao
Its gotta be WW1 followed by Civil War followed by WW2
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:04 pm to Sao
Every war is traumatic. When a human kills another human or witnesses the killing of one, it messes with their brain. Only desensitized/sick people can get away with not having any negative feelings or trauma because of it.
That being said, The Great War was the most traumatizing when looking at all wars in a relative way. Soldiers of that era were not prepared for the heavily industrialized way it was fought. The massed introduction of very lethal artillery, poisonous gasses, flamethrowers, machine guns, etc changed everything.
ETA: From there, we'd have to look at the next radical change in the wars were fought and that has to be with guerilla tactics. Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq were/have been very traumatizing due to the way the enemy operated unseen by being in plain sight.
That being said, The Great War was the most traumatizing when looking at all wars in a relative way. Soldiers of that era were not prepared for the heavily industrialized way it was fought. The massed introduction of very lethal artillery, poisonous gasses, flamethrowers, machine guns, etc changed everything.
ETA: From there, we'd have to look at the next radical change in the wars were fought and that has to be with guerilla tactics. Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq were/have been very traumatizing due to the way the enemy operated unseen by being in plain sight.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:30 pm to Sao
We are entitled now. Soldiers are millennials that are soft as shite. I have heard the "war stories". Don't fricking join and then cry about the same stuff that you knew was a possibility. I think they do it for the attention. They want to seem like the harden quiet type that every feels for.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:40 pm to Sao
I would imagine WW1 & Vietnam
With that being said, this is a stupid subject to try and compare situations with.
With that being said, this is a stupid subject to try and compare situations with.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:04 pm to Sao
WW1, Imagine you were a civil war era trained soldier.
Now all of a sudden planes flew over and dropped bombs, people manned guns that could wipe out platoons between reloads. Gas came down and killed or maimed. You lived in a trench, slept in a trench, ate in a trench, shite in a trench, died in a trench. People who made it through WW1 are some tough SOBs.
It was the first truly modern world war. The first big war with new technologies.
The first tanks, the first mobile machine guns, first aerial bombings. You just had no idea what to expect and training did not prepare for actuality.
Now all of a sudden planes flew over and dropped bombs, people manned guns that could wipe out platoons between reloads. Gas came down and killed or maimed. You lived in a trench, slept in a trench, ate in a trench, shite in a trench, died in a trench. People who made it through WW1 are some tough SOBs.
It was the first truly modern world war. The first big war with new technologies.
The first tanks, the first mobile machine guns, first aerial bombings. You just had no idea what to expect and training did not prepare for actuality.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:23 pm to Sao
WW1, my grandad served during WW1. Went to war as a young black haired 25 yr old, came back as a grey haired 27 year old. Shell-shocked, artillery explosion blew him up in a tree, gassed x2, and was in hand to hand fighting where he bayonetted a German down the throat. Came back and was never the same (they say). But he was my favorite person on earth, died when I was 8.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:24 pm to Sao
Just read through the thread. Yes, WWI is by far the worst war in military history. The generals often get bad reps for how the battles were fought, but they were old school generals fighting a mechanized war. The communication or lack-thereof cause offenses to stall once the objective was reached only to be counter attacked. They didn't know how to fight on a new battlefield. So the men essentially became science experiments. The only country that figured out how the new style of warfare would be fought were the Germans. Artillery barrages that lasted for days, the tunneling that the sides would dig in order to set off a mine underneath the other side's trenches. Gas attacks, no man's land and the advent of the machine gun. And like others have said, modern combat with not modern medicine.
Now, the Pacific Theater and Eastern Front were horrible in their own right. Eastern Front was worse for civilians, obviously. No telling how many rapes happened then. And think about Leningrad, the siege lasted from 1941-1944, people turned to canibalism. But the battles in the Pacific were probably much tougher.
Chosin Reservoir in Korea was beyond imaginable as well.
Eta: If you have a chance, read the book "The Last Stand of Fox Company" it's on a company of Marines that held the route open for our troops to get out of the Chosin Reservoir. One company took on multiple regiments of Chinese forces. Toughest sons of bitches ever in my opinion.
Now, the Pacific Theater and Eastern Front were horrible in their own right. Eastern Front was worse for civilians, obviously. No telling how many rapes happened then. And think about Leningrad, the siege lasted from 1941-1944, people turned to canibalism. But the battles in the Pacific were probably much tougher.
Chosin Reservoir in Korea was beyond imaginable as well.
Eta: If you have a chance, read the book "The Last Stand of Fox Company" it's on a company of Marines that held the route open for our troops to get out of the Chosin Reservoir. One company took on multiple regiments of Chinese forces. Toughest sons of bitches ever in my opinion.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:26 pm to Sao
In about a decade of fighting in Vietnam, the US lost around 50,000 men.
In the first day of the Battle of the Somme, the British lost 60,000. The Germans lost about the same amount.
The battle then continued for another three months, for the grand gain of less than five miles.
World War One was such a horrific experience that it still haunts us, even now. It is almost like modern society's suppressed bad memory of its collective youth. People don't think about it much, but its impact colors everything.
In the first day of the Battle of the Somme, the British lost 60,000. The Germans lost about the same amount.
The battle then continued for another three months, for the grand gain of less than five miles.
World War One was such a horrific experience that it still haunts us, even now. It is almost like modern society's suppressed bad memory of its collective youth. People don't think about it much, but its impact colors everything.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:35 pm to Sao
I really think Vietnam had to have been bad on soldiers because they weren't fighting for the freedom of their own country and families. They knew they could die at any time in a war a lot of them didn't want to be in.
The World War soldiers were fighting for their countries and the fate of the entire world. The soldiers believed in the cause for the most part.
I would think the PTSD per soldier would be higher for Vietnam than the World Wars. That doesn't mean one was more terrifying than the others but a soldiers mindset would be part of the cause.
The World War soldiers were fighting for their countries and the fate of the entire world. The soldiers believed in the cause for the most part.
I would think the PTSD per soldier would be higher for Vietnam than the World Wars. That doesn't mean one was more terrifying than the others but a soldiers mindset would be part of the cause.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:06 pm to Sao
Derail:
Worst to get wounded: Civil War. Those big bullets meant a near certain amputation if you lived. Second, I'm going with WWII Pacific Theater. You're shot up in a soupy humid cesspool or you're baking on a desert island.
Ferocity of the fight: (fighting men only) First is easily Pacific Theater. Second is probably going to also be WWII, Eastern Front, Stalingrad.
Truest "Meat Grinder": to me it's got to be WWI here. 110 total casualties combined for both sides in a DAY. That's just so hard to fathom.
Worst overall living conditions: WWI in the trenches. Second is the Civil War. I'm not sure there's much difference between the two.
Worst to get wounded: Civil War. Those big bullets meant a near certain amputation if you lived. Second, I'm going with WWII Pacific Theater. You're shot up in a soupy humid cesspool or you're baking on a desert island.
Ferocity of the fight: (fighting men only) First is easily Pacific Theater. Second is probably going to also be WWII, Eastern Front, Stalingrad.
Truest "Meat Grinder": to me it's got to be WWI here. 110 total casualties combined for both sides in a DAY. That's just so hard to fathom.
Worst overall living conditions: WWI in the trenches. Second is the Civil War. I'm not sure there's much difference between the two.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:41 pm to Sao
Vietnam, Korea, World War I, the Civil War, the American revolution. All of those with more hand to hand combat.
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