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re: Is James Hardens biggest strength getting fouled?
Posted on 4/22/17 at 12:57 am to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 4/22/17 at 12:57 am to tiggerthetooth
quote:I wasn't pressing at anything. But I quickly found out that you're a baby.
You win. He's horrible. He's really bad and shouldn't even be in the NBA.
I'm guessing this is what you're pressing at.
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Posted on 4/22/17 at 12:58 am to shel311
quote:Well, you know I'll never have this problem
Like Nick Wright has been screaming for a month now...we take LeBron for granted at this point. We're underrating him, big time, which is just crazy.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 1:00 am to ReauxlTide222
the sequence he was called for a foul because he tried to draw contact instead of taking the easy layup is why he's so annoying to watch.
just score damnit, why try to draw unnecessary contact, why try to flail?
just score damnit, why try to draw unnecessary contact, why try to flail?
Posted on 4/22/17 at 1:07 am to Dr RC
I get fouls happen on 3 point attempts.
But you've got Harden drawing THREE in one game like he did tonight.
But you've got Harden drawing THREE in one game like he did tonight.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 1:14 am to rlebl39
quote:Lebron is fricking 89 years old compared to Harden as far as minutes in the league go.
2. I think a 1 on 1 game between James and LeBron would be really close. Can't underestimate James' strength and ability to get to the rim in a 1 on 1 match up.
And he'd STILL out athletic the frick out of Harden. If we could somehow get Lebron motivated for this matchup....he'd kill Harden.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 1:39 am to shel311
Harden gets fouled on more 3pt attempts than any TEAM - true as of late March
I remember hearing this during one of the Rockets' games late in the season, I'm taking April. Might've been the Blazer Rocket matchup where Nurkic got hurt.
I remember hearing this during one of the Rockets' games late in the season, I'm taking April. Might've been the Blazer Rocket matchup where Nurkic got hurt.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 1:45 am to htran90
quote:It doesn't upset me like it used to. I honestly think it's a skill he's been able to develop because of how slow he is(super quick dudes just absorb or move past contact and the refs don't have time to look for every swipe and shite).
the sequence he was called for a foul because he tried to draw contact instead of taking the easy layup is why he's so annoying to watch.
just score damnit, why try to draw unnecessary contact, why try to flail?
Refs need to call him WAY more tightly. Obviously I'm a Lebron fanboy but think if someone like him got the same foul calls. My god Lebron would never not be at the line(where he'd shoot 50%
). By more tightly I mean they need to focus on what is a foul against him and what isn't. They need to pay more attention. He gets calls when he gets hit with a pinky while other players fight through contact constantly but don't get calls because it looks normal against them.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 2:32 am to buckeye_vol
I agree Leonard curry and Durant are good examples but they don't get the love those other 3 do. I guess they're more low key as far as self promotion and fan fare goes and that's why.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 4:49 am to theducks
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Harden has drawn a whopping 108 shooting fouls from distance this year with 11 games left to play. For context, consider that, outside of the Rockets, no team has garnered more than 73 of those calls.
If you subtract Harden’s numbers from the rest of the league’s, the average NBA player has drawn fouls on 1.6 percent of his 3-pointers this season, according to BigDataBall, which tracks the league’s play-by-play logs. Harden is drawing 3-point shooting fouls at a 16.7 percent clip, or more than 10 times as often.
Trying to draw the foul by exaggerating contact instead of trying to make the bucket is not entertaining IMO.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 5:56 am to shel311
This thread is so fricking awful I might become a rockets fan. And I hate Houston
Posted on 4/22/17 at 7:01 am to Adam Banks
Tied for first with such nba champs as adrian dantley burly 6 4 detroit who lived on the line, taking it strong to hole, moses malone and mj. Moses malone led the association in ft attempts many many years in row.
Its an honored tradition. Just blow on mj on the way in and they called a foul.
Its an honored tradition. Just blow on mj on the way in and they called a foul.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 7:16 am to StrongBackWeakMind
Most of these fouls are from stupid defense. He catches them flailing arms over a screen. Getting too tight on a 3. Etc. harden is good at the quick movement. Guys are expecting one thing and he catches them off guard.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 7:24 am to oleyeller
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dont ever mention jordan in same sentence with that guy
To me Harden and quite a few guys are up there with Jordan on the offensive end alone. Great scorers just can't be stopped. Harden has amazing passing skills as well.
The difference with Jordan over great scorers is he was equally elite on the defensive end of the court. Jordan was such a game changer on both sides of the court. He wanted to kill everyone on both ends of the court.
Lebron and Kawhi Leonard are the only two guys right now that are elite in both phases of the game. Kawhi gets helped a bit on offense because the Spurs play such an amazing team game and move the ball so well. I'm a Rockets fan but I feel like Kawhi should have been the MVP this year. That being said I don't think Kawhi could do as well offensively on every team. Lebron would take any team, including the Knicks, to the finals out of the east. If he won the MVP every year it would be fair.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 8:08 am to oleyeller
quote:If Harden didn't make a single free throw all season he'd still average just about 20 ppg.
if it wasnt for drawing fouls he would avg less than 20ppg. I have said it before, and will again. Harden would rather go out of his way to try and draw a foul than take an easy layup
Westbrook averages the same exact number of free throws per minute that Harden does. Per 36 they both average 10.8 attempts.
So all of you idiots that are hating on Harden but give Westbrook a pass, it's clear to see you're just hating.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 8:11 am to okietiger
quote:Thunder players shouldn't have reached 3 times then.
But you've got Harden drawing THREE in one game like he did tonight.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 8:21 am to PrimeTime Money
They are all legit fouls but there was one last night that the ball was still on the ground.
Players are just going to have to stop reaching on a screen against him. It's almost 50/50 that he's going to draw a foul on that pick play
Players are just going to have to stop reaching on a screen against him. It's almost 50/50 that he's going to draw a foul on that pick play
Posted on 4/22/17 at 9:20 am to okietiger
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He doesn't. Harden has been fouled on a 3pt attempt more than any TEAM in the NBA this season.
Is this true?
Harden was fouled on 124 3 point attempts this year - 122 3-point shots and 2 made 3-point shots. If you add the attempts to his total, he drew a foul on over 14% of his 878 3-point attempts.
The Cleveland Cavaliers - second most 3PAs in the league - were fouled on 46 3 point attempts - 41 shots and 5 made 3s. Adding back the attempts shows they were fouled on 1.6% of their 3-point shots out of 2820 attempts.
James Harden drew nearly 3 times the fouls of the second highest 3PT-shooting team despite having less than one-third of the attempts.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 9:27 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:
Westbrook averages the same exact number of free throws per minute that Harden does. Per 36 they both average 10.8 attempts.
So all of you idiots that are hating on Harden but give Westbrook a pass, it's clear to see you're just hating.
We've already discussed this...
quote:
Harden's FTr is .575 while Westbrook sports a .433. People understand why Westbrook goes to the line - he is getting fouled attacking the basket. As for Harden, he's manipulating the defense to draw a foul. It legitimately seems like his goal at times.
quote:
And-1 opportunities this season:
Westbrook - 60 on 1941 FGAs (3.0%) and 840 FTAs (7.1%)
Harden - 29 on 1533 FGAs (1.9%) and 881 FTAs (3.3%)
It is quite obvious which players are driving and getting fouled while trying to make buckets. Harden is looking for the foul - often - and isn't even trying to make the shot when it happens.
This is perfectly legal, but no one outside of a Rockets fan is going to respect a guy who does this shite relentlessly:
Posted on 4/22/17 at 9:38 am to slackster
quote:This is not true. Harden gets legitimately fouled a lot while driving to the basket. Y'all seemingly just gloss over that fact and instead focus on the lesser-occurring instances where he purposely creates contact like he does on the 3-point shots.
People understand why Westbrook goes to the line - he is getting fouled attacking the basket. As for Harden, he's manipulating the defense to draw a foul. It legitimately seems like his goal at times.
Westbrook is not immune from embellishing contact either. I've seen many instances of Westbrook trying to draw a foul whether it's sticking his leg out and falling down after a jump shot or like in game 2 where he threw the ball up from 3 while trying to get fouled which lead to a game-sealing layup for Eric Gordon on the other end of the floor.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 9:49 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:Harden's FTr suggest he draws fouls far more often than Westbrook, and considering their style of play - Westbrook had 586 attempts at the rim compared to 387 at the rim - the disparity is pretty glaring.
This is not true. Harden gets legitimately fouled a lot while driving to the basket. Y'all seemingly just gloss over that fact and instead focus on the lesser-occurring instances where he purposely creates contact like he does on the 3-point shots.
I'm not sure why it is difficult to admit that Harden's ability to draw a foul is a significant strength. He gets a shite ton of calls that others simply don't get. I've got no problem calling it a skill, it is, but it isn't one that is terribly enjoyable, particularly when you consider he's an elite scorer without that bullshite.
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