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re: NFL.com's Chad Reuter Mock Draft
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:27 pm to Rand AlThor
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:27 pm to Rand AlThor
Saying Barnett will never be a superstar is foolish
They have guys littered all throughout the league that were late round draft picks because of their limited athleticism that are now stars and tons of combine stars/workout warriors that turn out to be huge bust
Not saying that he will at all but he has plenty enough athleticism to be a star
So many things can't be measured by testing results. Someguys can just carry their pads
Some guys u can put em in underwear and they run twice as fast than with pads on
And some guys run almost as fast in full gear than without any on
And then you have football knowledge and the ability to diagnose an offense and break down whats happening without hesitation
And then some guys have football instincts and just know where to be
Than you have guys that have swagger/ killer instinct/ won't be denied mentality
Some guys have valuable leadership skills and the ability to rally the troops and raise up the whole team and get everyone going
And most importantly is work ethic. Will they train hard, play hard, never quit, not cash it in after big contracts, not take plays off, be relentless, etc.
The want/desire to win and be great cannot be understated. The love of the game and enjoying palying football and being a fierce competitor account for alot
Sone guys can wanna be the best but like u said their physical limitations will prevent that from ever happening
But some guys can be freak athletes and never have the will to succeed
But basically, there is alot more than running a fast 40 or jumping real high and far to being a great football player
And Barnett definitely has enough athleticism to be a great football player IF he has some of the other stuff
They have guys littered all throughout the league that were late round draft picks because of their limited athleticism that are now stars and tons of combine stars/workout warriors that turn out to be huge bust
Not saying that he will at all but he has plenty enough athleticism to be a star
So many things can't be measured by testing results. Someguys can just carry their pads
Some guys u can put em in underwear and they run twice as fast than with pads on
And some guys run almost as fast in full gear than without any on
And then you have football knowledge and the ability to diagnose an offense and break down whats happening without hesitation
And then some guys have football instincts and just know where to be
Than you have guys that have swagger/ killer instinct/ won't be denied mentality
Some guys have valuable leadership skills and the ability to rally the troops and raise up the whole team and get everyone going
And most importantly is work ethic. Will they train hard, play hard, never quit, not cash it in after big contracts, not take plays off, be relentless, etc.
The want/desire to win and be great cannot be understated. The love of the game and enjoying palying football and being a fierce competitor account for alot
Sone guys can wanna be the best but like u said their physical limitations will prevent that from ever happening
But some guys can be freak athletes and never have the will to succeed
But basically, there is alot more than running a fast 40 or jumping real high and far to being a great football player
And Barnett definitely has enough athleticism to be a great football player IF he has some of the other stuff
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Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:37 pm to homeindadome
Right. It's as if some people think he's unathletic and slow as shite. Both are far from true.
He had a decent 40, broad jump, and vert, and an very high 3 cone.
Plus he has a motor on the field. Elite bend and hands.
He's probably the most complete end in the draft. Yes he likely won't be the best pass rusher and may never be an elite pass rusher (very few players are), but he can definitely be a very good player in this league.
He had a decent 40, broad jump, and vert, and an very high 3 cone.
Plus he has a motor on the field. Elite bend and hands.
He's probably the most complete end in the draft. Yes he likely won't be the best pass rusher and may never be an elite pass rusher (very few players are), but he can definitely be a very good player in this league.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:48 pm to homeindadome
How many superstar edge players are there that run 4.90?
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:59 pm to Lester Earl
Terrell Suggs. 4.88 which is the same time Barnett ran at the combine. Both Suggs & Barnett ran similar short shuttle times plus they have the same type of bend/flexibility off the edge.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:59 pm to Lester Earl
He's not just a pass rusher. Dude is a complete end. And get off and bend are more important for a consistent rush than how fast you run in a straight line.
He may never be a superstar pass rusher, but he can be a very good complete end.
That's more than you can say for most of the other pass rushers.
And he is no slouch as rushing either.
He may never be a superstar pass rusher, but he can be a very good complete end.
That's more than you can say for most of the other pass rushers.
And he is no slouch as rushing either.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 10:04 pm to BigBrod81
His 3 cone was .01 seconds behind the freak Solomon Thomas.
3 cone is and excellent measure of bend. Dude has it.
And he is the best hand fighter in the draft.
Dude has EVERYTHING but elite speed, and you don't need that to be a good rusher. Yes he won't be an elite rusher, but he can be a very good complete end.
High motor. Good work ethic. Leadership.
If you are going to tank him for a decent but not elite 40 you are a fricking fool.
Edit:
Oh btw he did the combine with an illness and his pro day with a tweaked hammy and still tested well overall.
3 cone is and excellent measure of bend. Dude has it.
And he is the best hand fighter in the draft.
Dude has EVERYTHING but elite speed, and you don't need that to be a good rusher. Yes he won't be an elite rusher, but he can be a very good complete end.
High motor. Good work ethic. Leadership.
If you are going to tank him for a decent but not elite 40 you are a fricking fool.
Edit:
Oh btw he did the combine with an illness and his pro day with a tweaked hammy and still tested well overall.
This post was edited on 3/31/17 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 3/31/17 at 10:08 pm to bonethug0108
He's a one trick pony 
Posted on 3/31/17 at 10:11 pm to bonethug0108
I agree but I think he still can produce 10-15 sacks per season. Suggs was not the quick twitchy athlete (I frickin hate that term) all these so called experts talk about either. He was simply a damn good pass rusher at ASU & he brought that to Baltimore while probably heading to Canton when his career is over with. I think Barnett is the same type of player.
Suggs at ASU
Suggs at ASU
Posted on 3/31/17 at 10:12 pm to rmnldr
In what way is he a one trick pony?
He can rush, play the run, and even can drop in coverage from time to time. Complete player.
If we are talking about his pass rush move (which again is just part of his game because he is not a one dimensional rusher), that is something that can be worked on.
The one thing he can't really fix is his lack of top end speed, yet he still has good speed and has so many other positives to more than make up for that.
He can rush, play the run, and even can drop in coverage from time to time. Complete player.
If we are talking about his pass rush move (which again is just part of his game because he is not a one dimensional rusher), that is something that can be worked on.
The one thing he can't really fix is his lack of top end speed, yet he still has good speed and has so many other positives to more than make up for that.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 10:13 pm to rmnldr
You said you take one dick only? That still makes you ghey.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 10:16 pm to bonethug0108
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If we are talking about his pass rush move (which again is just part of his game because he is not a one dimensional rusher), that is something that can be worked on.
You can't say it's not a problem then say it's a problem. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Barnett is fine vs the run. He wont be an anchor at the end but he'll disengage well enough to get the ball carrier. However, the dude is always trying to speed rush and gets fricked when it doesn't work. He rarely ever combines it with a spin, rip, etc. He speed rushes, swipes their hands, and if it doesn't work, he sits there with his dick in his hand.
That shite won't fly in the NFL. Any tackle with a decent kick step is going to frick him up.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 10:16 pm to BigBrod81
Yeah Barnett can hit 10 sacks, maybe 12 on a good year. Not sure if he can hit 15. I mean it's all possible but I'm not expecting sack numbers that high (8-10 on average, but it will also depend on scheme, teammates, opponents, coverage, game situations, etc.).
People here talk as if he is some chump when he tested right around Taco in every drill except the 3 cone where he blew Taco away.
People here talk as if he is some chump when he tested right around Taco in every drill except the 3 cone where he blew Taco away.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 10:23 pm to bonethug0108
Just remember this. There is an offensive linemen issue in the NFL right now. Just like spread QBs, linemen aren't coming out prepared from a technique & schematical standpoint especially tackles. I like Barnett's chances against those types because of his ability to use his hands. Linemen aren't ready for that type of jousting play after play. They just aren't built that way anymore.
This post was edited on 3/31/17 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 3/31/17 at 10:27 pm to BigBrod81
quote:
Just remember this. There is an offensive linemen issue in the NFL right now. Just like spread QBs, linemen aren't coming out prepare from a technique & schematical standpoint especially tackles. I like Barnett's chances against those types because of his ability to use his hands. Linemen aren't ready for that type of jousting play after play. They just aren't built that way anymore.
And you're gonna be really disappointed when you see how overhyped his hands are.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 10:28 pm to rmnldr
Posted on 3/31/17 at 10:35 pm to BigBrod81
Look at #81 damn he must be the #1 OT prospect
I'm cherry picking one little clip and it's borderline holding but I'm just trying to connect what I'm saying to some video proof
I'm cherry picking one little clip and it's borderline holding but I'm just trying to connect what I'm saying to some video proof
This post was edited on 3/31/17 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 3/31/17 at 10:38 pm to rmnldr
It's too late for our fanbase. Everyone is sold on Barnett. Anything but him at this point is going to be a colossal failure for everyone
Hell, I like the kid too, I just think people need to temper their expectations on the kid. He isn't ever going to be an elite pass rusher. Just the facts.
Hell, I like the kid too, I just think people need to temper their expectations on the kid. He isn't ever going to be an elite pass rusher. Just the facts.
This post was edited on 3/31/17 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 3/31/17 at 10:40 pm to Rand AlThor
Didn't read the thread but we'll draft some player at #11 that's way off our radar.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 10:46 pm to Rand AlThor
I will ignore you too. You said Vic Beasley wouldn't be shite as a pass rusher in the NFL. Both of you are clowns. Yall don't know shite.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 10:51 pm to BigBrod81
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