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Question/Advice on trespassers
Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:27 pm
So my first (and simplest) question is this - does land in Louisiana need to be posted to consider other people wondering around on it as trespassing?
My second question is this - I have positively identified several persons who have been trespassing on my hunting land to hunt hogs, so what should I do now? I have multiple pictures (crystal clear face shots) of them riding 4 wheelers around the property and leaving with dead pigs. It has all been after deer season and I couldn't care less about the piggies, but I do care that they are on our land uninvited. For all I know they could be shooting deer or turkeys and I just haven't caught them doing that yet. So OB, what would you do? Call the authorities or try and just talk to the guy and let him know he is not welcomed? I'd rather this be settled without my stands/cameras/feeders being burned or stolen by ticked off criminals but either way it needs to be settled. Thanks OB.
My second question is this - I have positively identified several persons who have been trespassing on my hunting land to hunt hogs, so what should I do now? I have multiple pictures (crystal clear face shots) of them riding 4 wheelers around the property and leaving with dead pigs. It has all been after deer season and I couldn't care less about the piggies, but I do care that they are on our land uninvited. For all I know they could be shooting deer or turkeys and I just haven't caught them doing that yet. So OB, what would you do? Call the authorities or try and just talk to the guy and let him know he is not welcomed? I'd rather this be settled without my stands/cameras/feeders being burned or stolen by ticked off criminals but either way it needs to be settled. Thanks OB.
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 9:28 pm
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:30 pm to djs017
Shoot, stomp and move on.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:37 pm to djs017
I think you would have more issues out of them if you "threatened" them with the pictures being turned in to the authorities than you would with just plain turning in the pictures and pressing charges. If you press charges on them and then they return and you have proof again they will just be piling on themselves but, you never know, there are some stupid MF'ers out there.
I have a brother (whom I do not claim) who has been arrested for shoplifting as the same place 3 or 4 times in the past 2 years and has been "banned" from there. He still goes there so you never know how someone will think.
I have a brother (whom I do not claim) who has been arrested for shoplifting as the same place 3 or 4 times in the past 2 years and has been "banned" from there. He still goes there so you never know how someone will think.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 10:15 pm to djs017
Had almost same problem first put out no trespassing signs, after that didnt work put out boards with nails nailed in laying under leafs, they stopped after a couple flat tires
Posted on 3/27/17 at 10:56 pm to djs017
If I remember correctly, a few years back, LA changed the law to indicate that no markings at all are necessary for property to be posted...all are assumed trespassers unless you have something signed by the landowner stating that you are welcome.
someone correct me if I am wrong on this.
someone correct me if I am wrong on this.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 11:08 pm to Kill Switch
I was leaning towards reporting it. The biggest thing that bothers me is that I have 10 cameras on the property that I run year round. I'm sure they are not triggering all of them but I'm only getting pictures of them on one camera that is pretty well hidden. That makes me think they are either avoiding the other cameras intentionally, or have pulled my cards and deleted incriminating pictures to not get caught. So they know they aren't just ignorant and brushing it off like I don't care, and are being very sneaky so they can continue. I can't explain why, but that ticks me off more than them just shooting a few hogs on a whim. It's planned and executed as deliberate poaching.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 11:19 pm to djs017
You will likely have to catch them on the property and call the sheriff. I've done nice guy shite running off dove hunters. They came back the next yr and I called the man. People in general are assholes and will run over you if you allow. I say smoke their arse (have them ticketed not SSS.)
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:31 am to djs017
You no longer need signage on your land to be legally posted.
Trespassing is an issue to be taken up with the sheriff not game wardens. Good luck hopefully the trespassers aren't relatives of the sheriff
Trespassing is an issue to be taken up with the sheriff not game wardens. Good luck hopefully the trespassers aren't relatives of the sheriff
Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:29 am to Spankum
quote:
If I remember correctly, a few years back, LA changed the law to indicate that no markings at all are necessary for property to be posted...all are assumed trespassers unless you have something signed by the landowner stating that you are welcome.
You are 100% correct. One of the best laws they passed here for land owners.
OP, if you know the trespassers, I would first contact them and tell them they are to stay off your place. Do meet them in public with a witness. If that don't work, then bring in the law. The pictures you have, make sure to have something in the back ground to show were the picture is taken. That way there is no way of saying the picture was some place else.
If and you do press charges, you will have to take time off work to show up in court. Yep, it is going to cost you.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 7:15 am to fishfighter
Just file reports with the sheriffs office, you can decide later if you want to press charges but let's all be honest - if you do not press charges it will not stop.
Each dated photo (even if you can't see face) should be submitted as an individual incident and the paperwork filed at sheriffs office. I would get a copy of the form, partially fill it out and photo copy it so it's easier.
When you do decide to press charges there will be dozens of proven trespassing incidents and the judge will throw the book at them.
Each dated photo (even if you can't see face) should be submitted as an individual incident and the paperwork filed at sheriffs office. I would get a copy of the form, partially fill it out and photo copy it so it's easier.
When you do decide to press charges there will be dozens of proven trespassing incidents and the judge will throw the book at them.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 7:47 am to djs017
quote:
have been trespassing on my hunting land to hunt hogs, so what should I do now? I have multiple pictures (crystal clear face shots) of them riding 4 wheelers around the property and leaving with dead pigs. It has all been after deer season and I couldn't care less about the piggies, but I do care that they are on our land uninvited
Do you want pigs on your land or not? if they are do you a service in that aspect. I would approach them civilly and let them know you dont really want them on your land but if they are tracking hogs out of season and let you know, that its okay.
If you would rather them not kill hogs, I'd just let them they are trespassing for sure before you call the law. You could post a sign on their main entrance to your property, they will get the hint. My dad, a nice guy, laminated a large font note, directed towards specific hunters, and posted it where a guy was coming into our land. never had an issue ever again.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:31 am to NYCAuburn
quote:Never do this if you do not want people on you property. Even though they might shoot a few hogs, the point is they're not supposed to be there in the first place. Nothing pisses me off more than some jakeleg "doing me a favor" by taking or using my shite. Plus, "give them an inch they'll take a mile."
but if they are tracking hogs out of season and let you know, that its okay
OP, you will have to catch them on the place. S/O has no time waste on game cam pics alone, although they are good evidence. Look at it from the S/O's perspective, if you prosecute you need to have all corners nailed down on your "case" with hard evidence. I've been there, I know.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:33 am to White Bear
That's why you fill out the damn paperwork at the sheriffs office every time they come onsite. You have to build the case, since the sheriff doesn't have time to spend on it.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:40 am to djs017
Take them to the Sheriff now, you can always decline to press charges later if you decide, but they'll know you aren't playing.
Always negotiate from a position of power if possible.
Always negotiate from a position of power if possible.
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 8:41 am
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:08 am to Huntinguy
quote:
Take them to the Sheriff now, you can always decline to press charges later if you decide, but they'll know you aren't playing.
I wouldn't use the word press charges unless that is what he intends to do. If he wants to build a case against the trespassers I would choose the route of having a report filed. If he presses charges and later rescinds it, I believe he could actually be charged with something.
The one poster mentioned date and time on the pictures to show multiple instances. Do any game cameras have geotagging to show where the picture was taken? It would help as well.
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 9:09 am
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:08 am to Huntinguy
I had a trespasser issue today turkey hunting in WP. Heard the guy come in on my gobbling bird. I called a friend had him block the guys truck in, then called the sheriff and green jeans (luckily had both on my phone).
The poacher and I had a very interesting discussion (while I took a selfie with us in front of a club sign)about his presence on my land then he ran off into the woods, by the time he got back to his truck sheriff was there waiting for him he got to take a ride in the back seat charges already filed.
Damn I feel good now gotta go kill that bird....
The poacher and I had a very interesting discussion (while I took a selfie with us in front of a club sign)about his presence on my land then he ran off into the woods, by the time he got back to his truck sheriff was there waiting for him he got to take a ride in the back seat charges already filed.
Damn I feel good now gotta go kill that bird....
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:38 am to Kill Switch
Agree, I respect LEO's of all stripes and wouldn't lead them on with false intentions.
I did have a guy leasing land from me a few years ago that called all hot and bothered because one of his lease members found some dead deer in a pond. (He wasn't there.)
He called Green Jeans and they sped to the scene. No evidence of said deer. Turns out his club member was pranking him and the Game Wardens were none too happy!
I did have a guy leasing land from me a few years ago that called all hot and bothered because one of his lease members found some dead deer in a pond. (He wasn't there.)
He called Green Jeans and they sped to the scene. No evidence of said deer. Turns out his club member was pranking him and the Game Wardens were none too happy!
Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:11 am to Ron Cheramie
quote:I will add that signs that are apparent, noticeable, painted land lines, etc. will also help your case against poacher/trespassers. Just relaying my experience.
You no longer need signage on your land to be legally posted.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 11:28 am to White Bear
3 points:
I know 4 wheelers can go outside of roads, but make entering your property through gates as much a necessity as possible with posted signs.
Also, get one of those trail cameras that text you when you have a picture and put it where they enter. Call the sherif if they are on your property.
Lastly, IF you show them photos you better hide/ move that trail camera. Next time they trespass you can be darn sure that camera will be gone.
I'd move/ hide your cameras see if you catch them more.
I know 4 wheelers can go outside of roads, but make entering your property through gates as much a necessity as possible with posted signs.
Also, get one of those trail cameras that text you when you have a picture and put it where they enter. Call the sherif if they are on your property.
Lastly, IF you show them photos you better hide/ move that trail camera. Next time they trespass you can be darn sure that camera will be gone.
I'd move/ hide your cameras see if you catch them more.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 12:02 pm to djs017
I know it seems like there is little chance for anything negative to come back on you, but imagine this scenario:
Kids establish habit of coming onto your land to kill hogs.
You find out about it via trail cam photos, but take no action.
One day, trespasser kids bring over a guest kid who wants to shoot your hogs.
Guest kid is new to 4 wheelers, hits a rut in your trail, flips the vehicle, and is killed.
I promise you, the attorney for guest kid's parents is going to write something to the effect of:
Even though you would likely be able to mount a successful defense, any plaintiffs lawyer is going to harp on the fact that you could have stopped this tragedy and failed to for unjustifiable reasons. Plus, you are still going to have to pay for a defense, which ain't cheap.
This is NOT legal advice and is not meant to be taken as such.
Kids establish habit of coming onto your land to kill hogs.
You find out about it via trail cam photos, but take no action.
One day, trespasser kids bring over a guest kid who wants to shoot your hogs.
Guest kid is new to 4 wheelers, hits a rut in your trail, flips the vehicle, and is killed.
I promise you, the attorney for guest kid's parents is going to write something to the effect of:
quote:
"djs017 learned about the illegal trespassers and the use of motor vehicles by minors without helmets on his property over a year ago, but took no action to prevent it. djs017 had an affirmative duty to warn these known, habitual trespassers of the dangerous condition of his trails, which caused the death of an innocent party."
Even though you would likely be able to mount a successful defense, any plaintiffs lawyer is going to harp on the fact that you could have stopped this tragedy and failed to for unjustifiable reasons. Plus, you are still going to have to pay for a defense, which ain't cheap.
This is NOT legal advice and is not meant to be taken as such.
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