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wait... how can this be duck hunter numbers declining......
Posted on 3/22/17 at 10:28 am
Posted on 3/22/17 at 10:28 am
Posted on 3/22/17 at 10:32 am to choupiquesushi
I'm not mad about it if this article is accurate
Posted on 3/22/17 at 10:33 am to choupiquesushi
Have I really bought duck stamps every year even though I've had a lifetime license and didn't need to?? Or is that talking about some state duck stamp?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 10:35 am to Timmayy
State is included in lifetime license
Federal is not
Federal is not
Posted on 3/22/17 at 10:35 am to Timmayy
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talking about some state duck stamp
This. Your lifetime license doesn't affect federal migratory bird stamp.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 10:38 am to choupiquesushi
They actually hit the nail on the head with access. I used to be able to get into a good private land lease for around the same price as a decent deer lease. Now, I have to pay ridiculous prices for a single blind. It just isn't cost effective to continue to duck hunt.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 10:40 am to choupiquesushi
I agree about the access to the land. Gotta pay to play and alot can't pay.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 10:40 am to BayouBrawl
It's kind of a circular argument though. If there are declining numbers then crowds at public land should decline and demand for private areas should decline. This should cause an increase in activity to reach equilibrium
Posted on 3/22/17 at 10:41 am to choupiquesushi
How is this when every swinging dick with a truck is pulling a duck boat Nov-Feb???? I guess they're just cruising around looking the part?
Another issue, with record population numbers cited, I don't see the ducks I did when they were supposedly on the brink of extinction in the early 90's. Just don't add up to dry shite for me.
Another issue, with record population numbers cited, I don't see the ducks I did when they were supposedly on the brink of extinction in the early 90's. Just don't add up to dry shite for me.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 10:50 am
Posted on 3/22/17 at 10:52 am to White Bear
Just because duck hunter numbers are decreasing doesn't mean that popular hunting areas are becoming less pressured. The advent of social media I think leads to heavily congested public opportunities. And where you used to have a lot of people hunting private land, since the general population has shifted more urban, less people own hunting land and more groups of upper-class individuals are monopolizing the good private land hunting.
ETA: On the flip side, record duck numbers don't mean that everyone is killing a ton of ducks either. If you have large tracts of unhuntable or lightly hunted land that holds tons of birds, you won't see or kill them on the accessible public land. Also, duck migration patterns have shifted. The central flyway is holding a higher percentage than it did historically and on a micro-scale, heavily pressured areas year after year will push birds out to adjacent land if it provides similar rest and feeding opportunities with far less pressure.
ETA: On the flip side, record duck numbers don't mean that everyone is killing a ton of ducks either. If you have large tracts of unhuntable or lightly hunted land that holds tons of birds, you won't see or kill them on the accessible public land. Also, duck migration patterns have shifted. The central flyway is holding a higher percentage than it did historically and on a micro-scale, heavily pressured areas year after year will push birds out to adjacent land if it provides similar rest and feeding opportunities with far less pressure.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 10:55 am
Posted on 3/22/17 at 10:53 am to choupiquesushi
I've stopped because the cost is insane and the penalties for taking the wrong bird are ridiculous. Its honestly just not worth it to me. I fish for free and don't have to worry about 4 figure fines if the wrong fish bites my bait.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:01 am to Solo Cam
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I've stopped because the cost is insane and the penalties for taking the wrong bird are ridiculous.
I don't buy this. Aside from gas and snacks (let's say $30/hunt), my yearly costs are $25 for a federal stamp, and around $200 for shells. Sure, entry gear costs can add up quick, but you can start off cheap and go from there. I hunt walk-in public land for free and am successful.
And as far as penalties go, how often are you shooting the wrong bird? When you get close to a limit of birds, you start paying a lot closer attention, but I cannot honestly think of a single time this year on 17 hunts where I approached a species limit and had to pass on a shot because I wasn't sure on a bird ID.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:25 am to The Last Coco
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The Last Coco
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there. I hunt walk-in public land for free and am successful.
Definitely in North La
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:30 am to geauxcats10
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Definitely in North La
Actually Oklahoma, but I know several people in south LA who hunt public land and are successful while using pirogues, kayaks, and walking in.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:42 am to choupiquesushi
i certainly duck hunt way less now than i used to. Too much work and expense, and hard to find public spots.
meanwhile, they have no idea how many of those 74K lifetime license holders(i'm one) are duck hunting. More accurate to use HIP numbers, i would guess.
meanwhile, they have no idea how many of those 74K lifetime license holders(i'm one) are duck hunting. More accurate to use HIP numbers, i would guess.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:43 pm to Mung
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..... they have no idea how many of those 74K lifetime license holders(i'm one) are duck hunting. More accurate to use HIP numbers, i would guess.
Exactly right, Mung! We have no idea how many duck hunters there are in Louisiana because of our license structure. Lifetime, Sportsman Paradise, and Senior license holders do NOT buy state duck licenses (stamps) but we know a large portion of them are duck hunters. We also KNOW that federal estimates from HIP have shown a decline of nearly 60,000 active duck hunters in Louisiana since 2013 despite flat sales of "duck" licenses AND a very small decline shown in LDWF's Big and Small Game Harvest Survey, which is sent to a random sample of 6% of license buyers each year.
As an example: In 2015 we did the Louisiana Waterfowl Hunter Opinion Survey, and we needed to get a random sample from all waterfowl hunters in LA. To do that we:
1) Looked at all the HIP registrations and took those who bought a "duck" license (resident duck, LA Native duck, Military duck, etc.).
2) Of the remaining we looked at the HIP registration questions and took those who reported killing at least 1 duck or goose the year before.
We KNOW that isn't all of them, because 1) many retail outlets don't ask the HIP registration questions, so we can't tell duck hunters from woodcock hunters from dove hunters, and 2) the HIP coding doesn't allow us to distinguish a guy who didn't hunt ducks from a guy who hunted ducks but didn't kill any. But even with those clear limitations, we still had 95,000 known duck hunters in 2015.
Don't get me wrong ..... we are very concerned about declining number of duck hunters nationwide (as evidenced by declining federal duck stamp sales) AND the aging of the existing hunter population with poor recruitment of young hunters. But at least in the southern Mississippi Flyway, that decline is not very strong, and we are hampered by the lack of a reliable estimate of hunter numbers. My colleagues in both AR and MS have recently shown that license sales FAR exceed the hunter estimates coming from HIP. There is no way in hell we have lost 60,000 duck hunters in LA since 2013 as federal estimates show. That is probably a big reason why the Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies recently appointed a HIP Working Group (on which I'm representing the MS Flyway) to examine these discrepancies and recommend changes to the HIP process to improve cost-effectiveness and the quality of the estimates ..... starting with getting HIP registration out of the hands of retailers.
Sorry for being long-winded, but the NOLA.com article left a lot of details regarding hunter numbers in Louisiana un-said.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:51 pm to Solo Cam
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I've stopped because the cost is insane and the penalties for taking the wrong bird are ridiculous. Its honestly just not worth it to me. I fish for free and don't have to worry about 4 figure fines if the wrong fish bites my bait.
+1
Posted on 3/22/17 at 3:11 pm to Lreynolds
I emailed the Feds for Fed Stamp sales figures by state. Response: "...We no longer track/keep that info due primarily to online stamp sales..."
Posted on 3/22/17 at 3:14 pm to White Bear
That's why I hunt WMA's, the scouting a location in the summer and then having it bear fruit in the winter is better then spending big money on a lease.
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