re: Gun to your head, you MUST go Offense at 11. Who do you pick?

old school scout throwing out new age data. go figure

"measuring velocity only been around a few years"....yea, just 9



And i do agree that his arm strength can improve. Brady's did for sure, and i agree that Brees did too. Though neither of their arms were never terrible. Just average.

that said, look at their draft position.

All 3 would have hit this threshold, imo.

McCaffrey. Dude would be absolute money in this offense.

Every year there's a guy that's too small or too slow or lacks "twitch" or any number of other things that say they shouldn't be great but they are.

Greatness cannot always be measured. Sometimes it just is.

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Every year there's a guy that's too small or too slow or lacks "twitch" or any number of other things that say they shouldn't be great but they are.

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and you draft that guy with the 11th pick overall!!! hell yea, recipe for success.


theres also guys like you stated above that people take chances on and dont become shite. Because most of the time physical limitations in the NFL are the death of you, especially at QB.

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lacks "twitch" or any number of other things that say they shouldn't be great but they are.

Greatness cannot always be measured. Sometimes it just is.

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Terrell Suggs

After setting the NCAA sack record, (the record should belong to Derrick Thomas though) Suggs' 4.88 40 time created some doubt whether or not he was as quick twitch as his film & production showed. His quote about his combine performance was awesome.

"I didn't do as good as I want. Some teams might grade me down. In my opinion football speed and track speed are totally different things. Just look at me play football. I can play football."

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and Jarvis Joens dominated the SEC from the edge, ran a 4.88 too, and has been terrible in the NFL

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We could do this all day. A guy like Suggs is not the norm. I just went down the list of the top 20 edge sackmen in the NFL last year and only 1 ran that slow.

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Sorry but you are looking at the wrong shite. I only mentioned Suggs & his 40 yard dash because of how scouts reacted to it. While Suggs did run 4.88 in his 40, his 4.33 short shuttle showed he was quick enough in space to be a good pass rusher in the NFL. Jones on the other hand not only ran 4.88 in the 40 but he had a piss poor 4.71 in the short shuttle. So Jones not only was slow in a straight line but he was slow in his ability to change direction. Jones also racked up numerous sacks his last season at Georgia against the terrible offensive lines of Missouri, Florida & Tennessee. The writing was on the wall about Jones if anyone bothered to dig deeper.

A good read on Jarvis Jones poor measurables

1, you brought up the 40. I know what to look at. YOU brought up that number.

2, the 40 and agility times usually align, a 6'3" 260lb player who doesnt run fast usually isn't going to move fast in small spaces either. See: Jarvis Jones.

The mere fact that I can go down the line and look at the 40 times of the top 20 edge sackmen and only 1 of them run lower than a 4.84 40 proves that. I dont need to see shuttle times

Dontari Poe was a freak. Read my post again. "Usually" 'is the key word here. I didn't say it never happens. Again, show we all these good 4.88 edge rushers that are making it in the NFL. Well, you can't, really, because you can count them on 2 fingers.

As for QBs, it's a lot hard to decipher. The ones that lack the physical traits are usually smart and then you have guys like bone thug cite "intangibles ". Well yea no shite the guy that spins a 49mph is going to have intangibles. Sure he'll show leadership ability. Sure he'll impress in the meeting rooms. That's a big part of there college success. You can't let that engulf you. I like Watson too, he was fun to watch. But you can't pick a guy that won't be able to outthrow NFL defenses at pick 11.