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re: Malcolm Butler warming up to the idea of playing in New Orleans
Posted on 3/15/17 at 1:40 pm to TigerBait1127
Posted on 3/15/17 at 1:40 pm to TigerBait1127
I love how people think you can sign and/or trade for legitimate players without giving them a lot of money or giving up something valuable.
Nature of the beast.
Nature of the beast.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 1:43 pm to WicKed WayZ
Not to mention that even if the Pats did just let him walk, he'd be a UFA.
That drives his price up a good bit. You may be able to add another starter/depth piece for that price.
Or the Pats could just extend him during/after the season
Not to mention I truly believe we're playing to keep Brees the next 3 seasons. If we don't show huge improvement this year, it is over
That drives his price up a good bit. You may be able to add another starter/depth piece for that price.
Or the Pats could just extend him during/after the season
Not to mention I truly believe we're playing to keep Brees the next 3 seasons. If we don't show huge improvement this year, it is over
Posted on 3/15/17 at 1:45 pm to smil3432
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They usually don't sign long term big contract and will get someone else for cheaper
They just re-signed Hightower for a 4-year $43.5 million deal. $19 million of that is guaranteed. This is concerning. Why do they not want Butler and instead gave that money to Gilmore? There is something fishy going on here and the Saints are about to get fleeced by the Patriots for a second time in one offseason.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 1:49 pm to GeauxBayouBengals
I've seen a lot of people associated with the Patriots say that Bill just does not believe in re-signing players that he can still have under contract per the CBA, unless he's getting a great deal (they offered Butler 6mill per season last year). He'd rather let their contract play out and pay them if he has to, or trade them, or let them walk.
He just won't do it.
In this case, Butler is ticked about not getting paid, and Bill is looking to allow him to do that for a pick in this case.
He just won't do it.
In this case, Butler is ticked about not getting paid, and Bill is looking to allow him to do that for a pick in this case.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 1:50 pm to GeauxBayouBengals
Can't sign everyone. And the Pats are the kind of team that can draft a corner anywhere and plug him right in.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 1:51 pm to GeauxBayouBengals
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They just re-signed Hightower for a 4-year $43.5 million deal. $19 million of that is guaranteed. This is concerning. Why do they not want Butler and instead gave that money to Gilmore? There is something fishy going on here and the Saints are about to get fleeced by the Patriots for a second time in one offseason.
It has literally been said 1,000x on here.
Answer this: who would they have replaced Hightower with?
The Cardinals "won" the trade with them last year, although that is a silly term anyways given that New England will save $15 million a year in cap space on his contract.
2nd player in 12 years to have double digit sacks for the Cardinals, and that is with their great secondary
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 3/15/17 at 1:54 pm to Fun Bunch
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I've seen a lot of people associated with the Patriots say that Bill just does not believe in re-signing players that he can still have under contract per the CBA, unless he's getting a great deal (they offered Butler 6mill per season last year). He'd rather let their contract play out and pay them if he has to, or trade them, or let them walk.
He just won't do it.
In this case, Butler is ticked about not getting paid, and Bill is looking to allow him to do that for a pick in this case.
This is pretty much it. They have him under contract at $3.9M this year. They have absolutely no reason to give him a contract right now. He is trapped, unless someone signs him to an offer sheet, or they trade him. If he holds out, he will get the RFA tender again next season.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 1:57 pm to WicKed WayZ
quote:To be fair though, this is an "AND" situation not an "OR." We would have to give a lot of money AND something valuable. That is what concerns many.
I love how people think you can sign and/or trade for legitimate players without giving them a lot of money or giving up something valuable. Nature of the beast.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:01 pm to Rand AlThor
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This is pretty much it. They have him under contract at $3.9M this year. They have absolutely no reason to give him a contract right now. He is trapped, unless someone signs him to an offer sheet, or they trade him. If he holds out, he will get the RFA tender again next season.
Yep. Just like we have Snead this year as an ERFA and as a RFA last year.
It takes being great in FA to do it.
I mean New England does strike out in these deals sometimes. They traded a 5th for Mingo.
They also declined the team option for Vince Wilfork, and have traded players that have gone on to be pro bowlers and all-pro
I wish we had traded for Chandler Jones
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:02 pm to icebergrich
Schefter, out on a limb there.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:05 pm to Rand AlThor
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This is pretty much it. They have him under contract at $3.9M this year. They have absolutely no reason to give him a contract right now. He is trapped, unless someone signs him to an offer sheet, or they trade him. If he holds out, he will get the RFA tender again next season.
That's not exactly true. They and Butler could agree to a long term deal at a discount given that Butler is facing having to play another year at a significantly below market value salary. Whether they can agree on what that discount looks like is a different question.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:06 pm to GeauxBayouBengals
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second time
When was the first?
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:07 pm to karralum
Lol, im guessing there are 4 people who don't know how the Patriots operate.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:08 pm to NOSHAU
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To be fair though, this is an "AND" situation not an "OR." We would have to give a lot of money AND something valuable. That is what concerns many.
Yep.
And I wish we had gone after Gilmore in FA or some other corners.
But I also think that Butler + his contract makes us a much better team than the #32 pick would
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:28 pm to icebergrich
quote:For those that cannot access this, what does it say?
LINK
Posted on 3/15/17 at 2:33 pm to NOSHAU
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what does it say?
its a tweet that patriots are looking to get first round pick for butler
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 3/15/17 at 3:48 pm to keakar
quote:Thanks. I would bet they get it as well. Part of me thinks it will be our 2nd rounder as Payton proclaimed he wanted a 1st and a defensive player in exchange for Cooks.
its a tweet that patriots are looking to get first round pick for butler
Posted on 3/15/17 at 3:56 pm to NOSHAU
i think the likeliest of scenarios is the saints do in fact give up 32 but we'll probably try to get back one of their 2 3rd round picks or the 4th round pick that the NFL is holding hostage currently.
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