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re: Wikileaks is a threat to American National Security
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:10 pm to Azazello
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:10 pm to Azazello
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I doubt I change many minds here, but the folks from the intelligence community I interacted with while in the military were some of the most patriotic and dedicated people I have ever met. Calling these people the enemy really pisses me the hell off.
CIA has themselves to blame. They are hiring lots of contractors with no loyalty and giving them the keys to the kingdom as far as classified information goes. These 20 something SJW types that work for CIA want to stick it to the man.
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:12 pm to Azazello
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Intelligence agencies have been able to tap phone lines for decades. Does that make them enemies of the American people?
It didn't when there was due process and oversight to make sure that they were not intruding on the privacy rights of citizens absent good cause. If there ever were protections in the past, there sure as hell are none now. Our rights to privacy have been completely erroded and all accountability has been stripped away from those very people entrusted with protecting our most sacred rights.
Thank goodness for wikileaks providing a voice and a platform for whistle-blowers to expose the wanton corruption within our government.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:12 pm to Azazello
"Calling these people the enemy really pisses me the hell off."
Like you said we ARE talking about the CIA.
Like you said we ARE talking about the CIA.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:12 pm to Azazello
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The capability to do so does not mean they have.
You have more faith in your fellow man and govt than I do. If they have the capability, you can bet your arse that they do it. In fact, I would be completely shocked if they didn't do it.Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:14 pm to Azazello
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Assange claims he is starting a debate about privacy and national security. Why is he not targeting Russia, China, or other authoritarian regimes?
Pay closer attention to the content. During the election campaign WL released the S.American money laundering info on WORLD leaders including Germany, RU, Greece, Italy, France, and the UK, for instance.
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We just handed our playbook to the opposing team.
If this is the 1st time "the opposing team" knows of this stuff then the "opposing team" was already a no-show for the game. Shirley isn't even this stupid, are you?
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some of the most patriotic and dedicated people
Sincerity is not carte blanche for committing crimes nor undermining the Constitution of the USA much less exceeding the charter of operations the agency exists under. Which agency "negotiated" those deals with Afghan warlords so that US troops would protect poppy fields? Which agency's negotiations have thus led to the surge in worldwide and especially U.S. heroin epidemic?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:14 pm to Azazello
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This post was edited on 1/10/21 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:15 pm to Azazello
I think that WikiLeaks and Assange are being used by a faction of America's Intelligence Agencies to take down the faction that is perpetrating these crimes on American Citizens.
I think these are deliberate actions done to have a desired effect.Taking down the CIA.
We'll see how it plays out.
I think these are deliberate actions done to have a desired effect.Taking down the CIA.
We'll see how it plays out.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:15 pm to Azazello
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Doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on. If you support the leaks of hacked or stolen information just because it suits your political agenda, then you are a fool.
How amazing it is that the truth is completely opposite of what you say.
We can't have democracy without open government. Secrecy is the enemy of good government. Knowing that they are monitored is KEY to our public servants' compliance with the law. That is because power corrupts. Openness and accountability is the only cure for that.
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:17 pm to Azazello
America is a threat to its own National Security.. I'm glad to see all the shady shenanigans exposed.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:17 pm to Azazello
Maybe it's the shite that our intelligence community is doing to the citizens of this country that's a threat to national security
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:18 pm to Azazello
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If you support the leaks of hacked or stolen information just because it suits your political agenda, then you are a fool.
I have never pretended otherwise. God looks after fools and drunks, and I am fortunate enough to be both.
Spooks BTFO
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:19 pm to Azazello
Yes it is, I only hope what was released in vault 7 was a false flag of old crap.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:22 pm to Azazello
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Republicans were falling over themselves to praise Assange when Wikileaks was leaking information from the DNC but now that it doesn't fit their political agenda - they're the enemy.
Nope. I'm still glad they are releasing info.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:24 pm to HempHead
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God looks after fools and drunks, and I am fortunate enough to be both.
Have an upvote. 
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:37 pm to LSUGrrrl
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Assange claims he is starting a debate about privacy and national security. Why is he not targeting Russia, China, or other authoritarian regimes?
The question they won't answer.
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Wait. Do you believe Wikileaks only publishes US docs?
Or can't competently answer. They published some videos about Tibet some years back. So there's their targeting of China. They also leaked some stuff about an Iranian nuclear accident and some random corruption and scandals in various shithole countries. Everything else has been a US or US ally interest. Notably the Brits, Germans, and TPP
Why haven't they done anything to really get after the clandestine services or key interests of Russia and China--the two most oppressive world powers on Earth who also happen to be aggressive worldwide intelligence collectors. Why is a freedom fighter like Snowden living as a tool under the paw of a corrupt autocrat?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:51 pm to WhiskeyPapa
quote:You just made a basic argument against the very idea of state secrets.
We can't have democracy without open government. Secrecy is the enemy of good government. Knowing that they are monitored is KEY to our public servants' compliance with the law. That is because power corrupts. Openness and accountability is the only cure for that.
How silly is that?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:54 pm to Azazello
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Why is he not targeting Russia, China, or other authoritarian regimes?
Because Russia and China make no claim to guarantee freedom and liberty for their citizens. They're authoritarian despots and it's not really a question.
You either believe in America exceptionalism or you don't.
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:55 pm to Azazello
I agree to an extent. Any classified documents other than the recent CIA scandal are in fact threats to national security. Certain things we have right to know and others we dont
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:56 pm to Navytiger74
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Everything else has been a US or US ally interest. Notably the Brits, Germans, and TPP
Well, that's conveniently broad. Don't forget Sweden, Turkey, and the others.
They publish what is sent to them. If they have more contributors from some areas than others, I'm not sure how that invalidates what they are given.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:59 pm to Magician2
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If your wife was cheating on you You wouldn't want to find out from some random person who has proof?
I'd rather not find out from the guy who broke into my home and stole my television and happened to see my wife with another man.
Unless, of course, he returned the television.
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