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Posted on 3/10/17 at 5:00 pm to Azazello
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Wikileaks is a threat to American National Security
They saved us from Hillary Clinton selling us down the river to global corporations and foreign governments, importing rapefugees by the millions and getting us into more wars in the mideast and possibly russia as well.
We owe them a debt of gratitude.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 5:01 pm to boosiebadazz
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Because Russia and China make no claim to be guarantee freedom and liberty for their citizens. You either believe in America exceptionalism or you don't.
That doesn't answer the question. Is their mission to protect civil rights and liberties or to highlight for a few hundred million people what the other 7.2B people in the world already know--that Americans have a healthy dose of hypocrisy and lack self-awareness.
And they've leaked against Kenya, some Latin American shitholes, and Iran. So obviously they aren't only going after goody goody hypocrites.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 5:03 pm to LSUGrrrl
quote:Turkey is a formal (NATO) who have been instrumental to our adventures in the Middle East. Sweden is a partner of NATO and cooperated broadly with US and European policy.
Well, that's conveniently broad. Don't forget Sweden, Turkey, and the others.
Any others for me?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 5:07 pm to Navytiger74
So... my asking the OP if he believed Wiki only published US docs has now turned into proving Wiki published docs relating to countries with no US interests.
Holy Moving Goalposts, Navy!
Holy Moving Goalposts, Navy!
Posted on 3/10/17 at 5:10 pm to Azazello
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We just handed our playbook to the opposing team
One of the most vexing parts of this dump is that the CIA had already done this to itself. The agency bungled troves of malware into enemy hands long before Vault 7. That's not even counting Stuxnet, which they lost control of after the Iran centrifuge hack.
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 3/10/17 at 5:10 pm to Navytiger74
I'm not sure what their stated mission is. I can accept the argument that the only countries that matter on a macro scale for the next generation are the US, Russia, China, and Germany, so it's inconsequential and empty for them to leak what the Kenyan government is doing. Only two of those meaningful countries proclaim to respect democratic principles.
It's fair criticism to say Wikileaks won't leak documents from Russia or China, but most, if not all, of the leaks have to do with civil liberties versus the role and intrusiveness of government into the private lives of citizens. They're not leaking troop levels and the location(s) of missiles.
Would it really be a big shock to learn China censors the internet and Putin has killed journalists?
I get the need for state secrets and I'm not totally thrilled about some of the leaks, but I do believe the public has the right to know and debate before giving their consent to be governed.
It's fair criticism to say Wikileaks won't leak documents from Russia or China, but most, if not all, of the leaks have to do with civil liberties versus the role and intrusiveness of government into the private lives of citizens. They're not leaking troop levels and the location(s) of missiles.
Would it really be a big shock to learn China censors the internet and Putin has killed journalists?
I get the need for state secrets and I'm not totally thrilled about some of the leaks, but I do believe the public has the right to know and debate before giving their consent to be governed.
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 3/10/17 at 5:11 pm to Azazello
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Why is he not targeting Russia, China, or other authoritarian regimes?
Because Russia, for instance, would likely assassinate him and his family. Do you wonder why they don't have problems with terrorism?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 5:13 pm to kcon70
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Do you wonder why they don't have problems with terrorism?
Have you ever heard of Chechnya or the Beslan school siege?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 5:13 pm to LSUGrrrl
quote:Well to be fair, you moved them first. OP pointed out that Wiki doesn't target the Russians and Chinese, two much more repressive regimes with worldwide clandestine services and information warfare capabilities that rival our own. You then (rhetorically) asked if he thought the US was the only country targeted and skirted the question about Russia and China. I pointed out that they've occasionally leaked on some shitholes, but done virtually nothing against China and Russia.
So... my asking the OP if he believed Wiki only published US docs has now turned into proving Wiki published docs relating to countries with no US interests.
Holy Moving Goalposts, Navy!
How can any thinking American not be asking himself this question, btw? How can anyone who bought into pizzagate be so incredulous about much more obvious realities.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 5:17 pm to Azazello
When you take an oath it's to protect the US from all enemies foreign and Domestic
Posted on 3/10/17 at 5:19 pm to Azazello
I don't mind them leaking shif when it shows our government being corrupt, but when they share stuff that takes away our technology advantage we've gained and jeopardizes our ability tongather critical intelligence, I have a problem with that.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 5:24 pm to boosiebadazz
Posted on 3/10/17 at 5:28 pm to kcon70
Yet there is still terrorism in Russia.
I can see some merit in your position, but I would rather rely on due process that has served us well for 250 years.
I can see some merit in your position, but I would rather rely on due process that has served us well for 250 years.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 5:34 pm to Navytiger74
I don't know why Wiki hasn't published docs from Russia or China. Probably no contacts. We can speculate as to why that is but we don't really know.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 5:51 pm to LSUGrrrl
quote:Well they're awfully active and have been caught with their pants down by other means a number of times. We and our allies have rolled up a lot of people involved in Russian and Chinese espionage. Why are they somehow Wikileaks proof? Are their services now magically impenetrable just as cyber connectivity has made everyone else seemingly more vulnerable?
I don't know why Wiki hasn't published docs from Russia or China. Probably no contacts. We can speculate as to why that is but we don't really know.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 5:54 pm to Azazello
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Assange claims he is starting a debate about privacy and national security. Why is he not targeting Russia, China, or other authoritarian regimes?
My god man.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 5:56 pm to Azazello
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they're the enemy - then what would you have in it's place in order to gain intelligence on our enemies?
The CIA most likely helped create those enemies. If we knew the scope of their work, all of us would be appalled.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 5:56 pm to Navytiger74
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Well they're awfully active and have been caught with their pants down by other means a number of times. We and our allies have rolled up a lot of people involved in Russian and Chinese espionage. Why are they somehow Wikileaks proof? Are their services now magically impenetrable just as cyber connectivity has made everyone else seemingly more vulnerable?
I don't know why China and Russia don't have leaks on WL, but Turkey, IMF, EU, Gulf States, and Germany have leaks on the main page.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 5:58 pm to MrCarton
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I don't know why China and Russia don't have leaks on WL, but Turkey, IMF, EU, Gulf States, and Germany have leaks on the main page.
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They published some videos about Tibet some years back. So there's their targeting of China. They also leaked some stuff about an Iranian nuclear accident and some random corruption and scandals in various shithole countries. Everything else has been a US or US ally interest. Notably the Brits, Germans, and TPP Why haven't they done anything to really get after the clandestine services or key interests of Russia and China--the two most oppressive world powers on Earth who also happen to be aggressive worldwide intelligence collectors. Why is a freedom fighter like Snowden living as a tool under the paw of a corrupt autocrat?
That's from the first page. And I noted that Turkey is a NATO ally who's been instrumental in our joke of a ME foreign policy and that Sweden is a NATO partner in a separate post. Didn't allude to our GCC partners, though. My bad.
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 6:01 pm
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