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Jack Nicholson in the Shining
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:45 pm
Great and iconic performance. But did the entire performance work. Jack Torrance is supposed to be a genuine guy that you can sympathize with his downfall. But Nicholson plays his opening scenes in the movie so oddly. There's something wrong with him from the beginning. He's sarcastic and a dick from the beginning. Just seems odd.
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Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:47 pm to athenslife101
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Jack Torrance is supposed to be a genuine guy that you can sympathize with his downfall.
Maybe in the book.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:50 pm to athenslife101
I never read the novel but I've seen King talk about it. I think he basically said it was inspired by what an a-hole he turned into when he was immersed in writing and struggling with writer's block (I know it's hard to imagine King ever having writer's block).
ETA: of course King hated the movie.
ETA: of course King hated the movie.
This post was edited on 2/8/17 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:51 pm to Brosef Stalin
What's the point of the movie if he isn't supposed to be at least someone you can start out relating to. A major part of the horror is Danny and the mother beginning to realize that Jack isn't the father they know and love.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:58 pm to athenslife101
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:01 pm to athenslife101
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Jack isn't the father they know and love
He was a violent alcoholic and abused both Wendy and Danny. Wendy made excuses for him because she had battered woman's syndrome. Danny was in therapy due to being sexually abused by Jack.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:09 pm to Brosef Stalin
That's bullshite. Neither happened in either book or movie. Jack hurts Danny one time. And then he decides to return. Jack never touched Wendy.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:11 pm to athenslife101
What other villains do you sympathize with in regards to their downfall/change? I just don't see why that's necessary in a horror film. Some monsters are just monsters. He's an a-hole, becomes more of an a-hole, then becomes a deranged lunatic. It's not hard to imagine someone like him going from A to B.
Freddy
Jason
Michael Myers
Lector
No sympathy, don't relate to them
Bates
Vader
Some sympathy there for what they became, I guess.
Any others?
Freddy
Jason
Michael Myers
Lector
No sympathy, don't relate to them
Bates
Vader
Some sympathy there for what they became, I guess.
Any others?
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:13 pm to athenslife101
Did you notice how annoying his family was? Wife and kid both needed mental help.
Then being trapped for months with them.
I don't fault him.
Then being trapped for months with them.
I don't fault him.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:14 pm to Morecowbell
Because this is also a family tragedy movie.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:16 pm to athenslife101
Read between the lines. Jack pulled Danny's shoulder out of socket on "accident." Wendy said it was no big deal because he was drinking at the time. She was always making excuses for him. He obviously beat them both. Plenty of evidence he was sexually abusing Danny too.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:18 pm to Brosef Stalin
Except it's explicitly said multiple times in both book and movie that Jack only hurt Danny once and he was so shocked what he did, he became a changed man.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:19 pm to athenslife101
Well, I would agree that the book is more of a family tragedy considering Jack's childhood and the ending.
The movie, to me, is just a straight up horror film.
The movie, to me, is just a straight up horror film.
This post was edited on 2/8/17 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 2/8/17 at 11:10 pm to Morecowbell
The movie is shite. The Nicholson role is one of his worst right next to the joker.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 11:13 pm to Brosef Stalin
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Maybe in the book.
One of the few movies that were different from the book but loved both.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 11:49 pm to athenslife101
Did anyone watch the mini-series of The Shining with Steven Weber of Wings? Never saw it. Wondered how it stacked up.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 11:52 pm to SoFla Tideroller
I remember it being ok for a tv movie. It was made to be a direct adaptation of the book because King hated the Kubrick movie. The ending came off stupid though.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 12:01 am to Brosef Stalin
I never got the huge love for the Kubrick movie. I remember a bunch of us in high school went together to watch it in the theater and most of us had read the book. We were all "WTF?" after seeing it. It seemed it had scenes/pieces in it that were really good ("Here's Johnny!") but the film as a whole was underwhelming.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 12:57 am to SoFla Tideroller
That's because Kubric took a more realistic approach to the the movie. His vision was that Jack went crazy because (mostly) of cabin fever and because he was just a kind of bad dude anyway. Kings version is all about the hotel. It's the real "bad guy" in the book.
Dr Sleep continues the story of Danny for anyone interested. It's pretty good.
Dr Sleep continues the story of Danny for anyone interested. It's pretty good.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 8:08 am to athenslife101
Once he steps foot into that hotel, strange things are happening. He was reading a Playgirl Magazine while waiting for the manager to show him around. The outside of the hotel has a different shape when you see it a second time. Jack was a dick but that hotel changed him.
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