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Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:13 am to Dale51
On a side note, while I was sitting in a treestand with my son Saturday morning, he said "dad, I am cold"... I told him "don't worry, once the sun comes up the temperature will rise"... Never knew I was a "climatologist", where the frick do I sign up for my gubment check?
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:15 am to olddawg26
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I just told you I'd ask the climate scientist
What is hi/her name? Why would you think that 1 scientist would hold "the truth". If "97%" of him or her think one way...what about the other 3%????? What is it they doubt?
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:19 am to olddawg26
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You're avoiding this really hard.
You're projecting again.
Was the whistle blower at NOAA a scientist?
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:20 am to League Champs
I'm unsure whether to bother with this since it's already page 4 and it'll probably be posted multiple times.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:23 am to jeff5891
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Looks like the rate of temperature increase is still the same from the graph. Its just notched down a bit across the board
So?
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:24 am to olddawg26
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anything you morons want me to ask them
Ask them if their pay check is dependent on finding man made climate change to be real.
You don't have to ask, we all know the answer.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:25 am to mulletproof
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I only had to see Al Gore involved to know it was made up bullshite.
But he's super, SUPER cereal!!
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:25 am to olddawg26
quote:So a guy in Iceland, can individually validate a .6 degree change in world temps.
there and told me they can all visibly see climate change affecting how they fish and how mild the winters are right now
quote:ok
how mild the winters are right now
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:26 am to Dale51
The graph uses two different data sets with two different baselines.
One (NOAA) uses a full century baseline of 1901-2000, the other (Hadley) uses a 30-year baseline of 1960-1999.
Obviously, the one that includes the early 20th century is gonna have a lower baseline because it was colder, so therefore the anomalies (difference from baseline as 0) will look higher
One (NOAA) uses a full century baseline of 1901-2000, the other (Hadley) uses a 30-year baseline of 1960-1999.
Obviously, the one that includes the early 20th century is gonna have a lower baseline because it was colder, so therefore the anomalies (difference from baseline as 0) will look higher
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:47 am to League Champs
The Daily Mail
fake news and a paid shill for big oil to boot
fake news and a paid shill for big oil to boot
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:50 am to League Champs
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Its all made up data sets. Almost every bit of it
It's worse than that - they substitute models for data. And when the actual, reliable data disproves the model - real scientists would either throw out or at least modify the model to make it better. AGW true believers massage the data to make it fit - confirmation bias of the highest degree.
So, as many of us have said, it stopped being science (if it ever was) and became a religion a long time ago - a denomination of the larger Earth worship religion of the green left.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:54 am to Cruiserhog
This article basically makes no sense if you're familiar with ERSST v4 paper and BEST's reanalysis of K14.
ERSST v4 doesn't "throw out" the buoys. It weights them more! And BEST's reanalysis put both ERSST datasets against isolated, homogenous records with "only-buoys" and "only-satellites" and v4 was closer than v3 to both.
This sounds like a guy who wasn't even in the room (he's not an author on K14 or any ERSST paper) getting hyped as a "top NOAA scientist" because he's willing to lend his credentials to a rando Daily Mail guy's provably false talking points. I mean that mismatched baseline graph is just... lol. Global warming is a function of the slope of temperature rise, so a flat Y-axis offset is meaningless.
ERSST v4 doesn't "throw out" the buoys. It weights them more! And BEST's reanalysis put both ERSST datasets against isolated, homogenous records with "only-buoys" and "only-satellites" and v4 was closer than v3 to both.
This sounds like a guy who wasn't even in the room (he's not an author on K14 or any ERSST paper) getting hyped as a "top NOAA scientist" because he's willing to lend his credentials to a rando Daily Mail guy's provably false talking points. I mean that mismatched baseline graph is just... lol. Global warming is a function of the slope of temperature rise, so a flat Y-axis offset is meaningless.
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Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:55 am to League Champs
This is not surprising. Similar manipulations of the historical land based measurements made a small splash a few years ago, will see if I can find an article. Essentially the NOAA released a revised data set that showed much more warming than the last revised data set they had released. The explanation was normalization of the historical data, which is them going in manually changing the values to account for things like changes in equipment at weather stations. This is fine and valid, but it's supposed to be done if there is a clear reason to change the data, like a clear jump or drop in the readings at the point of the equipment change, or notes from the weather observatory that the readings were off due to poor placement of the sensors, etc.. But analysis of the changes to the record showed that nearly all the adjustments to the temperature readings in the early century were revised down, and nearly all the recent adjustments were up. Which took a graph of the raw data from nearly a flat line to a steep rise. There was no rigorous process for making the adjustments, apparently it was done on the whim of whoever was working that day
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Posted on 2/6/17 at 9:57 am to olddawg26
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Ignore the issue, anything to red herring right
You're posting about your discussion with and Iceland fisherman in a thread about a climate researcher disputing the flawed data regarding global warming that was presented to the world as indisputable fact.
People are mocking you for it, and suddenly they are the ones deflecting from the issue?
Posted on 2/6/17 at 10:04 am to Dick Leverage
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climate scientist at a museum.
Clearly to have such an esteemed position means this guy must know more than anyone about The Science.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 10:08 am to olddawg26
You mean Earth has cyclical climate change? Who knew?
Posted on 2/6/17 at 10:16 am to olddawg26
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the climate scientist
the ones who are monetarily incentivized to confirm AGW? The ones who falsify data as shown in the OP?
Those climate "scientists"?
Posted on 2/6/17 at 10:17 am to olddawg26
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lol I was in Iceland while a guy sat there and told me they can all visibly see climate change affecting how they fish
Remember what I posted
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Anyone that believes in man-made global warming at this point, is either on the take, or incapable of critical thought
And I talked to a guy who went to the pole to do actual research on climate change, and got trapped, and had to be rescued
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