re: Is anyone here dumb enough to think the Wall costs $12.5M a mile?

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But the reality is that no, they won't.

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Do you understand the nature and scope of our US-Mexico trade deficit? In case you don't, US-Mexico trade is around a $530 Billion/yr bilateral proposition. Within that proposition we suffer approx a $60 Billion deficit.

A 10% reduction in that deficit pays for the wall within Trump's first term.

You have to include administration, insurance, infrastructure.... I mean...you're going to need roads, water, sometimes sewer and electric to get material, equipment and workers to the job site. You're going to need guard towers every so often...those will need bathrooms, A/C, phone/internet....oh yeah, and staff....who require hr benefits, etc...

Some of these fools act like they're going to zip down to Home Depot, pick up some Gatorade and quickcrete and start.

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Ok dipshit, with your vast knowledge of civil construction estimating, why don't you tell us exactly how much it costs per mile and how you got to that number.

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I'd guess at least 20. Seriously, walk a mile and then tell me how much money it would take you to get an architect to build on the terrain and then a construction force to build it. Seriously, walk it tomorrow and say you'd charge 12.5 million dollars when you wouldn't see 1/100th of that. And you're near a Home Depot. Imagine in the bottom of New Mexico when the closest supplier is 300 miles away.

In all seriousness, I would think this is a reasonable figure in light of the overall length of the wall--not just 1 mile--and its relative dimensions. I haven't done it, but I would guess that the Interstate noise barriers that they installed in BR and elsewhere would give a good reference point re cost. Except that those were built in high traffic areas with a host of environmental and other concerns. If MAGA gets the regulatory restrictions abated, a $12.5M figure for erecting a series of vertical concrete slabs across the desert should be about right.

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This isn't a right/left issue. It's an informed/uninformed issue.

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Did that sound good in your head?

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Did you consider the cost incurred by not building it? Need pics of the people killed by criminal illegals to illustrate for your miserable arse?

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Ok, so they're more likely to be murderers or something?

I just think it's pointless and they'll find a way through that wall just as they've swimmed across the Rio Grande. I think this wall is totally pointless and will only cost the taxpayer more than it saves.

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Maybe they get it to 8 feet wide and 27 feet tall, whatever, but it's still going to cost more than 12.5 million a mile.

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I've got a few decades in construction, I'd have to survey it to be sure but I'm pretty sure I could beat that.

It doesn't have to be solid concrete you know.

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I'd guess at least 20. Seriously, walk a mile and then tell me how much money it would take you to get an architect to build on the terrain and then a construction force to build it. Seriously, walk it tomorrow and say you'd charge 12.5 million dollars when you wouldn't see 1/100th of that. And you're near a Home Depot. Imagine in the bottom of New Mexico when the closest supplier is 300 miles away.

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For 1) architects don't build shite. 2) engineers design civil projects not architects 3) construction companies build projects. 4) what idiot would go to Home Depot to construct a major civil project.

You don't know a damn thing and are proving it. I was a civil estimator for 7 years and I bid many t-walls in NOLA.

In addition, we give Mexico $54 million per year in aid. We could easily divert that money to the wall project until the job is complete.

Informed? Like you thinking the Feds would actually purchase insurance on this project? Their insurance is called a completion bond. And. Neither contractor on here could qualify for one. Nor have they posted any reasonable estimates.

In the interim, we'll be getting tax legislation and a new SCOTUS Justice.
You'll still be commenting on something you don't know much about. And both contractors will still have no idea if they made a profit in 2016, some things are certainties.

If the wall is some sort of BS great wall of china built with no thought but just concrete and towers for the entire length of our border then sure. Bad idea.
But this is not 1915 despite a wants rhetoric and a combination of things tech, pen and mortar can reduce illegal crossings dramatically.