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re: Somebody's got to rethink the car dealership model
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:37 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:37 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Tell us how you really feel man
It was just a really surreal experience. No idea why a GM would be so bothered by someone that was clearly not going to be converted to a sale. The guys called me twice and then sent the texts. Must have just been having a bad and felt like messing with someone
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Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:40 pm to Honky Lips
My coworker bought the new F150 from a place in Indiana. No trade ins were allowed, all buying was done over email, the truck was washed and filled waiting for him when he arrived. 4,000 dollars less than the local dealers in BR, Denham, and Hammond. He said there weren't any salesmen, just the owner and the family.
I think that's the way to go. Just like a vending machine.
I think that's the way to go. Just like a vending machine.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:46 pm to LNCHBOX
It happens. No telling what the salesman told him and he's got to try to do some type of damage control otherwise you get on a public message board and blast the business for all to see.
It's a unique business with a unique culture. I don't understand it at all being an industrial guy, but I understand that it has norms and nuances that I don't jive well with. I'm sure many people they deal with are nervous and jitttery when buying a vehicle because it's a huge purchase for most. They've got to try and be personable and friendly and comforting while simultaneously trying to pull all the profit they can. Different mindset than I'm used to. I'm used to explaining what my product can and can't do to guys who are holding huge checkbooks, not trying to convince people they can afford something that they really can't. It's a big shift for those car guys to deal with someone who is calm and calculated emotionally detached from the transaction.
It's a unique business with a unique culture. I don't understand it at all being an industrial guy, but I understand that it has norms and nuances that I don't jive well with. I'm sure many people they deal with are nervous and jitttery when buying a vehicle because it's a huge purchase for most. They've got to try and be personable and friendly and comforting while simultaneously trying to pull all the profit they can. Different mindset than I'm used to. I'm used to explaining what my product can and can't do to guys who are holding huge checkbooks, not trying to convince people they can afford something that they really can't. It's a big shift for those car guys to deal with someone who is calm and calculated emotionally detached from the transaction.
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:49 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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It happens. No telling what the salesman told him and he's got to try to do some type of damage control otherwise you get on a public message board and blast the business for all to see.
I'd never mention it to anyone had the GM not harassed me, and this is the first time I've told anyone besides my wife and a couple friends about the incident. I'm really not sure what he thought that would accomplish.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:55 pm to Cocotheape
This. How many have found the car they loved only to settle for some changes based on dealer inventory?
I would much rather option out the car as I like then buy it. Especially if it's going to be near MSRP. (I like Toyotas, but they don't really budge off MSRP)
I would much rather option out the car as I like then buy it. Especially if it's going to be near MSRP. (I like Toyotas, but they don't really budge off MSRP)
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:55 pm to Honky Lips
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The bigger question is, why do we negotiate car prices at all? When I go buy a computer I don't negotiate the price, even if the salesman is making commission. The price is the price. Why are cars any different?
Because a dealership cares more about meeting a quota than making a profit on an individual car. The bonus from the manufacturer covers all the losses and then some.
Thats why you should leave your card with the dealership and say "call me when you can match my price" and then wait for the last day of the month when they come crawling to you because the manager of the dealership told all the salespeople to chase any lead they have.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:01 pm to LNCHBOX
just wanted to chime in and repeat what others have said, if you live in LA and are buying a used car, just drive to Texas
or at least get prices from texas and use those as leverage if you just have to have a car in Louisiana.
"I can be in Houston in 4 hours using $100 in gas and a $70 hotel room. why should I overpay 2k here?"
I would find it hard to believe that shmucks just waltz into a used car lot uninformed and let salesman prey on them... but.. most of America is dumb and only worries about monthly note.
also once you are financed and when you make overpayments, make sure to send a little letter to your financer saying "PLEASE APPLY OVERPAYMENT TO PRINCIPAL"
or at least get prices from texas and use those as leverage if you just have to have a car in Louisiana.
"I can be in Houston in 4 hours using $100 in gas and a $70 hotel room. why should I overpay 2k here?"
I would find it hard to believe that shmucks just waltz into a used car lot uninformed and let salesman prey on them... but.. most of America is dumb and only worries about monthly note.
also once you are financed and when you make overpayments, make sure to send a little letter to your financer saying "PLEASE APPLY OVERPAYMENT TO PRINCIPAL"
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:06 pm to jefforize
I believe that it was in my financing paperwork for my car that all overpayment would go to principal. I think I had them put that in there IIRC.
There's two ways you can buy cars. Try to get a deal you're happy with or try to play frick the dealer. The former is far less annoying than the latter. You can beat, pry, haggle, backdoor multiple dealers for months on end and time it right to where it's culminating at the end of the year and they're all scrapping for your dollar to make the books all in the name of saving $1000, or you can just accept they're going to make money on you. I personally would rather pay the $1000 over 4 years just to get on with my life.
There's two ways you can buy cars. Try to get a deal you're happy with or try to play frick the dealer. The former is far less annoying than the latter. You can beat, pry, haggle, backdoor multiple dealers for months on end and time it right to where it's culminating at the end of the year and they're all scrapping for your dollar to make the books all in the name of saving $1000, or you can just accept they're going to make money on you. I personally would rather pay the $1000 over 4 years just to get on with my life.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:08 pm to LNCHBOX
This is why I am glad I have two google voice numbers not connected to any phone.
I can check their messages and even call from those numbers but any call to them goes only to voicemail. It's great.
I use those numbers for online things that need a real number, sales, and when I sell stuff on Craigslist, Varagesale.
I can check their messages and even call from those numbers but any call to them goes only to voicemail. It's great.
I use those numbers for online things that need a real number, sales, and when I sell stuff on Craigslist, Varagesale.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:33 pm to Honky Lips
My last car, I made calls to all of the dealers that have my car telling them exactly what I want. They all send me bids via email.
Then you break out options, etc, and use that to get a lower price or more options. You then print out their final offer. Doesnt require walking into a dealership until you test drive and are okay with the car.
Then you show them the email where they agreed to a specific price, and you take your car
Then you break out options, etc, and use that to get a lower price or more options. You then print out their final offer. Doesnt require walking into a dealership until you test drive and are okay with the car.
Then you show them the email where they agreed to a specific price, and you take your car
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:35 pm to Honky Lips
I hate Apple stores. They are sterile and full of commies and hipsters. I'd rather go to a car dealership.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:37 pm to TheFonz
Yea me too. It's kinda fricked but I actually like buying cars.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:46 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
me too.
Having a good credit score, a large down payment, and good credit history makes the process a lot more enjoyable, versus walking into a "BUY HERE PAY HERE" used auto lot with a 550 score and a $200 trade-in
Having a good credit score, a large down payment, and good credit history makes the process a lot more enjoyable, versus walking into a "BUY HERE PAY HERE" used auto lot with a 550 score and a $200 trade-in
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:50 pm to OweO
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Did that work? Unless I am absolutely sure I am purchasing from that specific dealership I don't give them my number, but I made the mistake of giving a saleswoman my email address on some BS form she asked me to fill out. She told me "at least put down your email and when I get more information I will let you know". For at least a month, that bitch would send me an email (not including weekends). The email was sent at the same time every morning.. 7:35AM.
Always give them a Gmail or other "throw away" Email address, and a prepaid cell phone for the phone number given to sales people.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 5:39 pm to Honky Lips
Try negotiating a purchase at an Apple Store, and getting them to take a trade in. Let me know how that works out for you.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 5:45 pm to jefforize
I paid $13.5k for my truck in Houston without haggling. The EXACT truck at a dealership in BR was $20k. I even emailed the link to the salesman in BR to see if they'd match the price. Didn't want to budge off of their $22k.
The salesman called me a month later asking if I was still looking for a truck. I laughed and told him, "frick you you numbnuts. I sent you that link to the one I bought, and you wouldn't budge. Have fun sitting on that truck for another six months". Dumb shits still haven't realized I can take a $70 plane ride and save myself $8500 on a truck worth $13.5k
The salesman called me a month later asking if I was still looking for a truck. I laughed and told him, "frick you you numbnuts. I sent you that link to the one I bought, and you wouldn't budge. Have fun sitting on that truck for another six months". Dumb shits still haven't realized I can take a $70 plane ride and save myself $8500 on a truck worth $13.5k
quote:I just realized I work about 1/4 mile from you. I might be in the market for some industrial equipment
DownshiftAndFloorIt
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 1/24/17 at 6:06 pm to Hammertime
Sales cap [on] off
You still got my number?
Sales cap on [off]
You still got my number?
Sales cap on [off]
Posted on 1/24/17 at 6:18 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
***-**38?
Had to go way back in my Gmail account for that one
Had to go way back in my Gmail account for that one
Posted on 1/24/17 at 6:25 pm to Hammertime
Yassir
Posted on 1/24/17 at 6:33 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I've yet to come across financing that was better than dealer offered.
Whereas for me the dealers could not beat the 1.99% financing I got through my credit union.
More than one way to skin a cat though.
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