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re: EPA wants Alaskans to stop burning wood for warmth

Posted on 1/2/17 at 10:11 am to
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 10:11 am to
There have been stories on this in the New York Times. Wood puts particles in the air and the nature of winter with temperature inversions means that the smoke and particles don't just harmlessly dissipate in the larger atmosphere. People are breathing in smoke and other particles which has been shown to be bad to your health.

Sure if the atmosphere at winter was such that the air could just blow away there would be no problem. It's like forms a smog in the winter that gets trapped in valleys.
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 10:17 am to
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People are breathing in smoke and other particles which has been shown to be bad to your health.


It's Alaska. There is no population density for particulates to become an issue. And what about the Eskimos? Maybe burning wood is a sacred tradition to the native peoples.
Posted by Friscodog
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2009
4481 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 10:18 am to
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There have been stories on this in the New York Times. Wood puts particles in the air and the nature of winter with temperature inversions means that the smoke and particles don't just harmlessly dissipate in the larger atmosphere. People are breathing in smoke and other particles which has been shown to be bad to your health. Sure if the atmosphere at winter was such that the air could just blow away there would be no problem. It's like forms a smog in the winter that gets trapped in valleys.



Please help me here.. Many people (you seem to be on the side of the EPA here) would want to curtail anything in US that would be remotely harmful to the environment.

Even if this were possible, it still would not stop the pollution of the environment as a whole, because of China, Russia and other countries who don't have these regulations in place. What is your solution to that? They don't give a frick about regulations and would tell EPA to go to hell.
Posted by HonoraryCoonass
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 10:22 am to
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People are breathing in smoke and other particles which has been shown to be bad to your health.


Freezing to death is bad for ones health.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
10949 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 10:25 am to
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People are breathing in smoke and other particles which has been shown to be bad to your health.
How is -50 degrees and no heat for your health?
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 10:26 am to
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There have been stories on this in the New York Times. Wood puts particles in the air and the nature of winter with temperature inversions means that the smoke and particles don't just harmlessly dissipate in the larger atmosphere. People are breathing in smoke and other particles which has been shown to be bad to your health.

Sure if the atmosphere at winter was such that the air could just blow away there would be no problem. It's like forms a smog in the winter that gets trapped in valleys.




There is going to be a point (obviously burning wood to stay alive isn't that point for you) that even you are going to say "whoa, maybe we're going a little too far."

For you, Ralph, it might be when your organic, homegrown bean paste patty gets you arrested, because it wasn't made with 100% renewable energy (the bag you used to move the compost in your garden wasn't woven from local untreated grasses).
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 10:34 am to
Bull shite. So your saying gravity only takes it as low as valleys? Not all the way to the ground? Ok bud. Does the snow stop falling to the ground in those valleys as well?

Thers SO much idiocy in your post!

And so the EPAs actually pushing them to burn more fossil fuels to HELP the air?
Posted by JLivermore
Wendover
Member since Dec 2015
1425 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 10:40 am to
If it's a problem then help provide a cheap, low cost solution for these folks. I doubt many up there have much disposable income to make the changes limousine liberals would like.


This post was edited on 1/2/17 at 10:41 am
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 10:44 am to
You're a tard
Posted by ManBearTiger
BRLA
Member since Jun 2007
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:20 am to
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There have been stories on this in the New York Times. Wood puts particles in the air and the nature of winter with temperature inversions means that the smoke and particles don't just harmlessly dissipate in the larger atmosphere. People are breathing in smoke and other particles which has been shown to be bad to your health.

Sure if the atmosphere at winter was such that the air could just blow away there would be no problem. It's like forms a smog in the winter that gets trapped in valleys.



Holy shite!

You knuckledraggers are such troglodytes that you would freeze to death in any cold climate at any point in the history of the planet pre-electricity for fear of the scary wood-eating red flower.

Are you aware that people have been burning wood for warmth in frosty climes for literally hundreds of thousands of years?
Posted by AjaxFury
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Member since Sep 2014
9928 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 1:12 pm to
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There have been stories on this in the New York Times.


Here's where you made your first mistake.

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Wood puts particles in the air and the nature of winter with temperature inversions means that the smoke and particles don't just harmlessly dissipate in the larger atmosphere.


Man been burning wood for thousands of years to get warm, & suddenly we know better like adding automobiles with frickin lasers attached to their head aren't causing much more damage.

Maybe we should go back to carts & buggies too! Oh, but that's cruel to horses!
Let's just not do anything, ever. Earth is a sentient being & we are not.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 4:59 pm to
Want to destroy the environment? Let the EPA regulate it.

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When the subject is the environment, the public perception is that a resource of such importance can only be adequately safeguarded by the benevolent, all-encompassing hands of the government. Whether that protection comes in the guise of the Environmental Protection Agency, the Forest Service, the Park Service, the Bureau of Land Management, or any of their variations at the federal, state, and local levels, many citizens fear that leaving environmental (that is, property) stewardship in the hands of “big business” or “selfish” individuals would result in wholesale destruction of our land, water, and air.


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Ultimately, it is the state’s violation of property rights that leads to many of the environmental ills laid at the feet of private citizens and businesses. The greatest ecological disasters in the world have occurred in those countries where property rights did not exist. (In the former Soviet Union and East Germany, for example, the devastation reached horrific heights.) Through subsidies, regulations, zoning, and eminent domain, the state encourages behavior that increases pressures on the environment.


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Water usage has proven to be a favorite excuse offered for state intervention. Farmers benefit from subsidies designed to lower their costs for irrigating their crops. As a result, areas of marginal agricultural potential (especially in the west) are brought under production. Fragile lands are exploited that might otherwise lie fallow. Not only does the resultant overproduction of some commodities lower the prices farmers get for them, but the increased acreage put into crops leads to an acceleration of soil erosion. Subsidized crop insurance further exacerbates the situation.
Nonfarm citizens also have their water costs subsidized by people in other parts of the country.

Dam construction and artificial waterways designed to transport that water enable people to populate such arid regions as Arizona and southern California. Not only does that lead to an explosion in population in those and other areas, natural lands are flooded for reservoirs, water tables are lowered to quench the thirst of newcomers, and water shortages occur during times of lowered rainfall.

Rather than letting supply and demand determine the proper usage of water, the government decides how this resource will be distributed. Those dams also provide hydroelectricity below cost, again encouraging settlement of these areas at a higher level than would otherwise occur.
Where there is too much water the government again intervenes. Swamps have been drained (in Florida, for example) to encourage development. Now those same areas suffer a dearth of water, endangering the habitat of alligators and various species of birds.

Even while prohibiting the cutting of trees in some forests, the government subsidizes the construction of access roads into other so-called public lands. This leads to an increase in the harvesting of lumber from areas many environmentalists would like to preserve. Wildlife habitat is also threatened.

In a similar vein, state-owned rangelands are overgrazed by cattlemen enjoying lower-than-market rates to rent the land. In another example of the “tragedy of the commons” (the overuse of a resource because of the denial of individual ownership), overgrazing also strains local water supplies and contributes to environmental degradation.

While the government is lauded by some and condemned by others for reintroducing wolves into the west, few mention that it was government bounties on these predators (as well as others) that contributed to their decline in the first place.

Though it prohibits development of some “sensitive” rivers, seashores, and islands, the government encourages building in other such places. On flood plains and along coastlines, homeowners proliferate despite the dangers of recurrent flooding or storm damage. Why? Either they purchase below-market flood insurance or have their property losses covered by a “compassionate” government’s disaster relief that diminishes the cost of choosing to settle in such risky environments. Many of these homeowners rebuild repeatedly, all at the expense of their fellow citizens.

Zoning and land-use regulations designed to preserve wetlands and other wildlife habitat diminish the incentive of landowners to convert portions of their property to such uses. Rather than lose control of their property to stifling edicts, many citizens will choose instead to “sterilize” their land and not convert it to recreational or conservational use.

Highway construction paid for by the government places roads through woodlands and other habitat regardless of the wishes of the property owners (who are confronted by the use of eminent domain) and regardless of whether it makes economic sense. By also paying for infrastructure costs, the state encourages development in places where it might not otherwise occur. In Brazil, tax incentives and state-subsidized road construction have contributed to the very rain forest destruction so many environmentalists decry–even as they call for more governmental controls.
Subsidized freeways contribute to overuse that leads to massive traffic jams and more car exhaust in the atmosphere as autos creep along toward their destinations.

Through excessive regulation and the prohibition of such technology as breeder reactors, the government has effectively killed new nuclear-power plant construction in this country, although nuclear power is safer and pollutes less than many traditional power sources, including coal and natural gas.


I wonder what brilliant and destructive solution the EPA has for our wood burning crisis in Alaska?
This post was edited on 1/2/17 at 5:00 pm
Posted by Luke
1113 Chartres Street, NOLA
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 5:00 pm to
As opposed to freezing to death... frick you idiot libs
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39575 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:42 pm to
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People are breathing in smoke and other particles which has been shown to be bad to your health.


You know what else is bad for your health? fricking freezing to death.
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
20889 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 10:06 pm to
quote:

There have been stories on this in the New York Times. Wood puts particles in the air and the nature of winter with temperature inversions means that the smoke and particles don't just harmlessly dissipate in the larger atmosphere. People are breathing in smoke and other particles which has been shown to be bad to your health.

Sure if the atmosphere at winter was such that the air could just blow away there would be no problem. It's like forms a smog in the winter that gets trapped in valleys.


This is why we are about to gut the EPA. Can't happen soon enough.
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