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re: Would you vote for an open atheist for national political office?
Posted on 12/18/16 at 1:07 pm to Revelator
Posted on 12/18/16 at 1:07 pm to Revelator
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Physics is something tangible and can be seen and proven.
Sometimes
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Faith in God cannot be tangibly proven and thus, opens itself to mockery from those who enjoy mocking.
Nobody mocks faith in and of itself, we all have faith in something. I have faith my wife loves me because she says so and her actions indicate as much, but I can't read her mind and know for a fact she does.
What is mocked is the kind of faith that produces beliefs contrary and immutable to reason. There's nothing inherently irrational about a belief in a god or gods. Religions however, all of them, make SPECIFIC claims about god, the world around us and the nature of existence. Claims which often deal with the observable universe and MUST be true or the belief system collapses.
What gets mocked is the kind of faith that causes educated first world citizens in 2016 to believe the Eartl is only thousands or millions of years old, or that all of humanity descended from two people in the relatively recent past. These are beliefs which are IMPOSSIBLE to hold apart from religious dogma.
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Posted on 12/18/16 at 1:10 pm to Cucks Unlimited
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There is a mountain of data supporting it
With the root cause being population pollution. Is it time for exterminating the real cause of alleged man made global warming? I'll let you make that call. I'm good where we're at presently.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 1:13 pm to Cucks Unlimited
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You can I guess believe that man isn't the cause but it's pretty silly to not believe the globe is seeing a rise in temps. There is a mountain of data supporting it
Temperatures always rise and fall over spans and it's been that way since the earth was created. Long before the industrial revolution and before there were enough people to make any significant changes in CO2 levels, global warming existed. There is also global heating and cooling on planets where no human life forms exists at all.
In the early 70's scientist were predicting another ice age. The entire global warming scheme is a con to control the people, eliminate some and extract plenty of money from others.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 1:20 pm to Revelator
The problem isn't just that it's rising or falling, it's the rate at which it's changing that is alarming. It's at unforeseen levels. What's one difference between this era and past warmings: man and major amounts of carbon being pumped into the atmosphere.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 1:35 pm to Cucks Unlimited
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The problem isn't just that it's rising or falling, it's the rate at which it's changing that is alarming. It's at unforeseen levels. What's one difference between this era and past warmings: man and major amounts of carbon being pumped into the atmosphere.
And it's been proven that if all humans cut down drastically on their carbon output that the measurable benefit would be negligible since the greatest emitters of CO's are natural like erupting volcanoes. So since man can make no demonstrable change in CO2 levels by doing things like recycling, driving electric cars, using wind power, etc. why is it being pushed?
Posted on 12/18/16 at 1:38 pm to Revelator
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if all humans cut down drastically on their carbon output that the measurable benefit would be negligible since the greatest emitters of CO's are natural like erupting volcanoes
Interesting. Haven't read that but would like to. Do you know where you saw that?
Posted on 12/18/16 at 2:01 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The main reason so many atheists/agnostics know religion so well is because they were raised religious. In America, two of every three non-believers were practicing Christians in the past.
This. My wife and I both grew up going to church. Hell, I was baptized at the age of seven. My wife was baptized when she was 12.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 2:23 pm to dmjones
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But why?
Because their mind is closed to it. There IS NO GOD. Period.
Can't say I care much for those with such a searching mind and heart and I damn sure don't want to vote them into public service.
This post was edited on 12/18/16 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 12/18/16 at 2:27 pm to goatmilker
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Because their mind is closed to it. There IS NO GOD. Period.
Can't say I care much for those with such a searching mind and heart and I damn sure don't want to vote them into public service.
So, you wouldn't vote for a highly qualified Atheist over Hillary Clinton?
I fear that you haven't met many Atheists or Agnostics. Most are no different than you and you would never know if they were religious or not. You've likely voted for one and didn't even know it.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 2:31 pm to Revelator
If they save tax payers money, eliminate wasteful government spending and jobs, then yes. I don't care about what religion as long as they can be responsible while in office.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 2:34 pm to dmjones
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I fear that you haven't met many Atheists or Agnostics. Most are no different than you and you would never know if they were religious or not. You've likely voted for one and didn't even know it.
Whats your point? I answered the question.
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I fear that you haven't met many Atheists or Agnostics.
Sorry your really really wrong here. Your just trying to bend my answer to what you want to hear. My son is agnostic and atheist are all over the place. My oldest friend, my closest co-worker and my brother are all atheist. You think you must be a member to talk and interact with them?
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Most are no different than you
Who said any different? Once again YOU are framing the questions AND answers.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 2:34 pm to Revelator
Would you vote for a Jew?
Posted on 12/18/16 at 2:39 pm to Revelator
No.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 2:49 pm to goatmilker
But you'd vote for someone dishonest enough to claim belief for political gain?
Don't worry, I don't vote for overtly religious people, either.
Don't worry, I don't vote for overtly religious people, either.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 2:50 pm to Revelator
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Would you vote for an open atheist for national political office
Yes
Posted on 12/18/16 at 2:52 pm to goatmilker
So, you wouldn't vote for a highly qualified Atheist over Hillary Clinton?
Posted on 12/18/16 at 2:52 pm to goatmilker
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My oldest friend, my closest co-worker and my brother are all atheist.
I have black friends, too.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 2:53 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Its funny I almost mentioned that angle.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 2:56 pm to dmjones
I believe I already answered that question. Just because you don't vote FOR someone doesn't mean you MUST vote for the other choices.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 3:40 pm to RCDfan1950
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The Founders knew this. It's laid out clearly in the Book "The Five Thousand Year Leap". Abandonment of the Idea of God...down we go.
Cleon Skousen, is one of my favorite. You draw your knowledge from a very good constitutional and spiritual well.
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