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Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:29 am to BayouCowboy
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:30 am to GeauxBullies
They scored 27 points on probably the greatest LSU defense of all time.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:39 am to GeauxBullies
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held him to 27 points
"held to 27"
if 27 is considered "bad" then that should pretty much tell you all you need to know about the offense.
With LSU's D, we should never lose a game in which we score 27.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:01 am to geauxcoco
Clearly. I think his path more closely resembles Aranda's moving foreward, w both ultimately giving the NFL a shot instead of taking College HC gigs.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:42 am to Sandtrap
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Said Oregon never beat any physical team
That is just plain wrong. 2010: Oregon-52, Stanford-31 (Stanford went 12-1 and won the rose bowl that year).
2010: Oregon-45, Wisconsin-38 Rose Bowl
2011: Oregon-53, Stanford-30 (Stanford 11-2, Fiesta Bowl Loss)
2014: Oregon-59, Florida St-20 CFP Playoff Semifinal
2015: Oregon-38, Stanford-36 (Stanford won rose bowl)
They beat physical teams every year, and even when they lost they were very competitive.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:58 am to BayouCowboy
Helfrich did not call the plays when he was O.C.
seriously not getting the obsession with this guy
seriously not getting the obsession with this guy
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:50 am to Not Cooper
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That is just plain wrong. 2010: Oregon-52, Stanford-31 (Stanford went 12-1 and won the rose bowl that year). 2010: Oregon-45, Wisconsin-38 Rose Bowl 2011: Oregon-53, Stanford-30 (Stanford 11-2, Fiesta Bowl Loss) 2014: Oregon-59, Florida St-20 CFP Playoff Semifinal 2015: Oregon-38, Stanford-36 (Stanford won rose bowl) They beat physical teams every year, and even when they lost they were very competitive.
Yeah, Oregon's problem was not how their O would perform against physical defenses but how their defense would perform.
Our 2011 historic defense that "held" them to 27 was also aided by 4 turnovers from the Ducks.
As for recruiting, he would be joining a great recruiting staff in a target rich state. I'm not sold on Helfrich, but he's an option.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:00 pm to BayouCowboy
Yeah, kind of not exactly true he didn't beat any physical teams. He had problems with teams that were more talented and deeper. Which should be expected.
Helfrich is an OK recruiter. He's a better OC than Kiffin. He's more innovative than Kiffin and has done more with less. I can't point to any QB Kiffin has "developed" - he had pretty much the pick of the litter wherever he's been.
Helfrich is a very decent human being, and by a lot of accounts Kiffin is not. There are rumors Kiffin is/had already been recruiting for LSU while in his current position, which is par for the course with him. You'd never hear something like that about Helfrich.
I think Helfrich beats Kiffin on Xs and Os and the intangibles. Kiffin beats Helfrich on recruiting, charisma and name recognition. So it depends on what you're looking for.
Helfrich is an OK recruiter. He's a better OC than Kiffin. He's more innovative than Kiffin and has done more with less. I can't point to any QB Kiffin has "developed" - he had pretty much the pick of the litter wherever he's been.
Helfrich is a very decent human being, and by a lot of accounts Kiffin is not. There are rumors Kiffin is/had already been recruiting for LSU while in his current position, which is par for the course with him. You'd never hear something like that about Helfrich.
I think Helfrich beats Kiffin on Xs and Os and the intangibles. Kiffin beats Helfrich on recruiting, charisma and name recognition. So it depends on what you're looking for.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:21 pm to ccsolee
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Yeah, kind of not exactly true he didn't beat any physical teams. He had problems with teams that were more talented and deeper. Which should be expected. Helfrich is an OK recruiter. He's a better OC than Kiffin. He's more innovative than Kiffin and has done more with less. I can't point to any QB Kiffin has "developed" - he had pretty much the pick of the litter wherever he's been. Helfrich is a very decent human being, and by a lot of accounts Kiffin is not. There are rumors Kiffin is/had already been recruiting for LSU while in his current position, which is par for the course with him. You'd never hear something like that about Helfrich. I think Helfrich beats Kiffin on Xs and Os and the intangibles. Kiffin beats Helfrich on recruiting, charisma and name recognition. So it depends on what you're looking for.
Come to think of it, how good of a recruiter was Aranda? He just took 2/3 star athletes and made great defenses. Apparently that was Ok with us.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:23 pm to AHM21
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Kiffin is ready now. Helfrich has some work to do in order to overcome his failures at Oregon.
His failure was not offense
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:25 pm to Sandtrap
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Oregon never beat any physical team
Yet all the hot offensive coordinators now are Leach or Briles disciples.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:25 pm to GeauxBullies
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We beat them and held him to 27 points when he was OC at Oregon.
Imagine if LSU was held to 27 points and the opponent was bragging about it.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:41 pm to 0
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Imagine if LSU was held to 27 points and the opponent was bragging about it.
Heck, if we can consistently score 27 points against elite defenses LSU will supplant Bama as the beast of CFB.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:49 pm to dos crystal
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. I would much rather them go after Chaney.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:04 pm to BilJ
Is he talking about Jim Chaney?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:29 pm to Alt26
O's
I think you are partly correct. He has to get a good OC, not necessarily Kiffin. However, I believe up-and-coming OCs and DCs will be attracted to LSU for many reasons: (1) only state school; (2) in SEC; (3) phenomenal recruiting base and (4) a HC that, if true to his word, won't meddle. That seems like an ideal environment for OC and DC. THe real challenge will be to identify those coaches.
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candidacy and ultimate appointment as HC were almost ENTIRELY based upon the contingency that he retain Aranda and get Kiffin.
I think you are partly correct. He has to get a good OC, not necessarily Kiffin. However, I believe up-and-coming OCs and DCs will be attracted to LSU for many reasons: (1) only state school; (2) in SEC; (3) phenomenal recruiting base and (4) a HC that, if true to his word, won't meddle. That seems like an ideal environment for OC and DC. THe real challenge will be to identify those coaches.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:32 pm to OneMoreTime
assuming so
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:43 pm to beauxroux
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I think you are partly correct. He has to get a good OC, not necessarily Kiffin. However, I believe up-and-coming OCs and DCs will be attracted to LSU for many reasons: (1) only state school; (2) in SEC; (3) phenomenal recruiting base and (4) a HC that, if true to his word, won't meddle. That seems like an ideal environment for OC and DC. THe real challenge will be to identify those coaches
THat's a good point. There has to be an OC out there at a smaller school or at mid level P5 that sees the talent we hall on offense and says, "Let me have a crack at that talent and see what I can do." Maybe others have come calling like Helfrich and we just don't know it yet.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:51 pm to BayouCowboy
Do not want kiffin at lsu
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