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re: You ever feel like there's just a giant dumpster fire incoming?
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:15 pm to Tiger Ree
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:15 pm to Tiger Ree
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The Florida game? The game when CEO had a TE's coach running the offense? The game where LSU had 23 first downs UF's 14. The game where LSU offense gained 423 yards to UF's 270? The game where LSU had the ball for 34 minutes to UF's 26? The game where UF's only TD was a 98 yard pass on LSU's defense?
...the game where we lost to a 14 point dog at home
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This is the game that brought about the "it's going to happen, the only question is how soon?" comment?
combined with a coach who lacks intellectual abilities of elite HCs + his insane strategy for the program
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People would be jumping off ledges if they watched any of the Houston Cougar losses this past season and LSU had hired their coach.
Herman is a genius, a brilliant football strategist, and trained under the best as a coordinator (and won a title along the way). He also won a major bowl last year against a top program (2 things O has never done as a HC)
Orgeron has only run a defense when he was the HC (and he sucked at it)
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 2:16 pm
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Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:16 pm to jmon
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Only on the days I read the self loathing, pessimistic, weak and cowardly posts perpetuated on this forum. Its a quagmire of waste, at times.
It's good to know that not everyone on this board is a weak-minded pussy. I didn't want O and I don't see him ever competing for championships, but the morbid desire many of you harbor to watch the program burn to the ground because you didn't get your fricking way is beyond pathetic. A bunch of spoiled children that didn't get the new toy they wanted around here.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:19 pm to natethegreat
Yeah, I heard all of our recruits we decommitting and we were promoting Ensminger to DC.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:20 pm to ellessuuuu
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That's one way to spin it, here's another, against the two best teams he coached against this year we scored 10 points AT HOME. Also lost at home to a 14 point underdog with a Sugar Bowl berth on the line.
Doesn't matter at all that he had only been on the job for a matter of weeks when he lost those games? Losing at home to a 14 point dog at home is not good. But the way LSU performed for the majority of the time was not the reason they lost. They beat UF in every category besides the final score.
Compared to Herm's loss to SMU his team gained 303 yards and scored 2 points in the 4th quarter to a team that won 5 games this year including wins against Liberty, North Texas and Tulane.
The two teams CEO lost to in his seven games on the job will both be on TV later today.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
Herman won a national title under Meyer...do you really think Herman was the difference 
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:22 pm to ellessuuuu
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It's going to happen, the only question is how soon?
The great thing about being negative and predicting doom, is you will eventually be correct. No dynasty (football or country) lasts forever. People withf strength of character and courage, face difficult times and predict things will get better. It takes courage. Lesser, weak-minded, timid souls predict doom, cowering in the comfort of knowing they will one day be right.
Stay quivering in the corner while the courageous proudly stand boldly predicting success. No matter the short term result, both of us will eventually be right.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:27 pm to Tiger Ree
So we only had two options, O or Herman? We had a two month search and hired a guy nobody else even wanted to interview before the season ended.
You act like O came in and saved the day. He inherited a team with a ton of upperclassman talent (watch how much of our roster gets drafted) and one of the best DC's in college football, and he couldn't even win all the games he supposed to win. We ran up some huge offensive numbers against a few garbage defenses and crapped the bed against good defenses. That performance doesn't warrant him being hired after only interviewing one other candidate and before the regular season was over.
You act like O came in and saved the day. He inherited a team with a ton of upperclassman talent (watch how much of our roster gets drafted) and one of the best DC's in college football, and he couldn't even win all the games he supposed to win. We ran up some huge offensive numbers against a few garbage defenses and crapped the bed against good defenses. That performance doesn't warrant him being hired after only interviewing one other candidate and before the regular season was over.
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:27 pm to Topwater Trout
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Herman won a national title under Meyer...do you really think Herman was the difference
that year? when they had to rely on their 3rd string QB and he was OC/QBs coach?
naw
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Herman is a genius, a brilliant football strategist, and trained under the best as a coordinator (and won a title along the way). He also won a major bowl last year against a top program (2 things O has never done as a HC)
He will likely be a great coach, but damn. He lost to a legitimately terrible SMU team. He got bested by another good coach in that one. Navy. They just got their arse kicked at home. Also have a really good coach. Also beat Houston. Memphis? Rinse and repeat. He went 2-3 vs the 4 best coaches in the AAC this year, and didn't look amazing in the 2 wins. They were both 1 score games.
He may tear shite up at Texas. I wanted him to be our coach once Jimbo was out. However, he is not as golden as some of you make him out to be. That AAC record can't be completely dismissed because of the good wins.
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:27 pm to misey94
What makes you think I am a fan of the current situation? My point was directed at the numerous, redundant whining posts on this site that do not bring pertinent information to the forefront. It's a bitchiest most of the time. Comprehend much, son?
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:28 pm to Tiger Ree
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Doesn't matter at all that he had only been on the job for a matter of weeks when he lost those games?
so basically anything he did last year has no real meaning and the data is irrelevant
you can't cherry pick. either 2016 under O counts or it doesn't
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:30 pm to ellessuuuu
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Kiffin and O have done together in the past, dumpster fire at Tennessee and USC. So the real question is what gives you confidence that this episode will be any different?
The dumpster fire at USC finished 10-2 in their second season under heavy sanctions and scholarship limitations. Did so well they were ranked #1 in the country to start the next season. The dumpster fire at Tennessee in their only season they went 7-6 in 2009. It was 2014 before UT had a winning season again when Butch Jones went 7-6.
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So the real question is what gives you confidence that this episode will be any different?
I watched all of the LSU football games this season. You didn't?
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Some of us are intelligent enough to look past the emotional response to a new coach mid season and actually evaluate the teams we played (especially in light of the upperclassmen talent on the team this year) and O's (and Kiffin) track record.
Why aren't you intelligent enough to see that a 4-3 finish and sixth place finish in the AAC while losing to three teams you shouldn't is comparable at best to going 5-2 in the SEC after a matter of weeks on the job and losing to two teams who will be playing for the SEC championship today. I'm not even saying BETTER, just Comparable at the very worst.
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:31 pm to Tiger Ree
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Why aren't you intelligent enough to see that a 4-3 finish and sixth place finish in the AAC while losing to three teams you shouldn't is comparable at best to going 5-2 in the SEC after a matter of weeks on the job and losing to two teams who will be playing for the SEC championship today. I'm not even saying BETTER, just Comparable at the very worst.
if we're just ignoring records as HC, who has more potential to be an elite HC: Herman or Orgeron?
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:33 pm to misey94
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And yet another spineless, melting bitch to add to the throngs of others. You are in good company.
frick dude, the majority of LSU fans feel that if they aren't cowering in a corner crying, they ain't trying !!! Pussies
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if we're just ignoring records as HC, who has more potential to be an elite HC: Herman or Orgeron?
I'd say the jury is still out. Ask that same question at the end of next year. We should have a better idea based on current results.
But based on most recent stints as HC- and "yes" I'm counting interim-- in 2016-- I'd have to give O the edge. And I say that as a guy that wanted Herman.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:36 pm to Tiger Ree
Again making an intelligent observation of a situation makes me a coward? I'm not scared of anything, just have a realistic outlook based on O's history and if we get Kiffin, based on O and Kiffin's track record together. But if it makes you feel better to have unfounded confidence and call me a pussy for actually evaluating the situation based on facts, knock yourself out.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:39 pm to Tiger Ree
Dumbass, you are proving my point. With Kiffin and O, USC was preseason # 1 and Kiffin was canned half way through the season.
Again, I've never said the decision had to be limited to O and Herman, that was a massive mistake by Alleva.
Who had more talent this year LSU or Houston. How many top 15 wins did O have at LSU this year? Not as many as Herman, with far less talent.
Again, I've never said the decision had to be limited to O and Herman, that was a massive mistake by Alleva.
Who had more talent this year LSU or Houston. How many top 15 wins did O have at LSU this year? Not as many as Herman, with far less talent.
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:40 pm to natethegreat
I support O as he is our coach, but fully expect the program to head back into the college football abyss under his leadership.
I simply disagree with anyone who thinks he will succeed. History does not support it.
I simply disagree with anyone who thinks he will succeed. History does not support it.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:40 pm to beauxroux
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I'd say the jury is still out.
so the fact that orgeron has shown he's such an inferior coach that he's never run a D (when he wasn't the HC), he's as even to succeed as a long-time coordinator who is also a borderline genius?
i'm being serious here. what about O makes you trust him more than Herman as a coaching prospect?
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:40 pm to jmon
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What makes you think I am a fan of the current situation? My point was directed at the numerous, redundant whining posts on this site that do not bring pertinent information to the forefront. It's a bitchiest most of the time. Comprehend much, son?
I am not a fan of the current situation, either. I also agree with you that all this bullshite is a complete waste of time with no result.
I don't have to want O to be the coach to want to see LSU football succeed. If you want the program to collapse, then you might as well go ahead and melt with everyone else. You can disagree with a hire without being a nihilistic jackass.
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