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re: Retired Green Beret officer: Mattis "left my men to die."
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:23 am to MrCarton
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:23 am to MrCarton
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Don't worry about it man, he will be confirmed.
That's only if Mattis can explain this situation as well as you did and make it in a politically dumbed down manner where democrats can't make hay of it.
Confirmation may be 51 votes but the waiver itself will have to be separate legislation and that needs 60 votes, so that's about 8 democrat votes. I can see Manchin, Coons, and 5 democrats up for rebellion in ruby red states going for the waiver. He's going to need one or two more.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:24 am to Sentrius
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That's only if Mattis can explain this situation as well as you did and make it in a politically dumbed down manner where democrats can't make hay of it.
Mattis is smart and intimidating. I think he will be fine.
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Confirmation may be 51 votes but the waiver itself will have to be separate legislation and that needs 60 votes, so that's about 8 democrat votes. I can see Manchin, Coons, and 5 democrats up for rebellion in ruby red states going for the waiver. He's going to need one or two more.
He will get 60 if it gets to that. The democrats will lose mucho patriot points if they frick with this selection.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:28 am to MrCarton
quote:Nah man, I just look at the sun and stars and shite and count my steps by putting rocks in pocket.
EDIT: Im sure you know how to use a DAGGR, this is just for everyone else's info I guess.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:30 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Nah man, I just look at the sun and stars and shite and count my steps by putting rocks in pocket.
shite actually works breh
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:31 am to MrCarton
Did you think I was joking?
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:32 am to MrCarton
quote:Will probably the first time I actually watch a confirmation hearing. I hope some retarded Senator tries to trip him up with some dumb shite.
Mattis is smart and intimidating. I think he will be fine.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:34 am to MrCarton
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Amerine's reputation was largely built through the book The Only Thing Worth Dying For by Eric Blehm that talks about the mission to put Karzai in charge of Afghanistan. He also faced court-martial for speaking to a member of congress about the condition of a hostage negotiation in 2013, around the time Berghdahl trade happened.
Amerine has every right to his own opinion about the friendly fire incident in Afghanistan, but I can tell you that speculating as to whether Mattis' choppers are going to get the evac in time is pointless. Yeah, maybe Cody Prosser lives, maybe he doesn't. Amerine has no fricking way of knowing that. Nor does he have any way of knowing why Mattis' didn't send the MEDEVAC, nor was it Amerine's decision to make. I really hate the selfish way that Amerine is handling this issue. I think it's completely inappropriate and the opposite of being a professional. If Amerine had any respect for the commission he once held he would shut the frick up or come strong with some evidence in a forum more significant than a fricking facebook page. This whole thing screams "LOOK AT ME MY MEN DIED". Disgusting.
This is the Story of Jason Amerine's time on ODA 574, as told by Amerine: If you click through these, you can read every surviving member of that ODA's mission to escort Karzai to the throne
Interestingly, he was the ODA commander when a B-52 bomb dropped a 2000 pounder on the wrong coordinate and killed 3 members of his ODA. One could use the same logic that Amerine is using and blame Amerine for the death of his three teammates, but of course that would be completely unfair and baseless. One thing is for DAMN sure though, like it or not, Amerine is responsible for what his team did and did not do, and that includes casualties.
IN THIS VERY INTERVIEW Amerine claims that two died instantly, and that "nothing could be done for Prosser".
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On the morning of December 5 ... the headquarters was directing air strikes against the ridgeline across from us. One of the guys messed up and brought in the bomb on us. So when the bomb hit them, the last count that I got, the latest number was I lost about 27 of my guerrillas. JD and Dan died instantly really. Cody Prosser, was a friend of mine that came in with the headquarters, was mortally wounded. He lived for a while, but there wasn't anything that could be done with him really.
Well, Jason, which is it? Nothing could be done or Mattis' MEDEVAC could have saved his life?
The way Amerine talks about this mission makes my fricking skin crawl. "My men, My guerillas, My, Mine, Me, Myself, blah blah blah.
For those who aren't aware, ODA Team Leaders are Captains in the Army, and they serve a max of about 2 years at the tactical level before going on to fulfill many years of staff jobs and hopefully getting a Battalion Command one day. Most Captains don't run around Talking like they own shite, because in truth they don't. The popular nick-name for Captains used to be "summer help", if that gives any indication of how expendable they are to an ODA's operations.
This retarded statement by Amerine probably won't amount to anything. Maybe MAttis' screwed up, maybe he didn't. We have multiple decades of performance reviews and testimonies about Mattis' professionalism and integrity. So assuming that there was such a death on Mattis' record, it certainly wouldn't make him unsuitable for SECDEF.
I think I've given maybe 2 upvotes or downvotes in my entire time on this website because I think that sort of self-validation is internet vanity, but here you go. You just got one. Have yourself a green.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:34 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Did you think I was joking?
Not really. All the army land nav is still Ranger beads and a compass.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:37 am to AbuTheMonkey
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You just got one. Have yourself a green.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:31 am to MrCarton
Scrooster,
My grandfather was a Marine in the South Pacific (Guadalcanal, Solomon Islands) in WWII.
I can assure that he and his men were not overrated.
My grandfather was a Marine in the South Pacific (Guadalcanal, Solomon Islands) in WWII.
I can assure that he and his men were not overrated.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:33 am to Jim Rockford
More convieniently timed smears?
Jesus, you libs are lucky as hell....unless it's Election Day.
#trollface
Jesus, you libs are lucky as hell....unless it's Election Day.
#trollface
Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:39 am to scormi5
Sounds like those guys own command fricked up and put them in harms way without an effective plan to evac
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Sounds more like a army special ops command failure than a marine failure.
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Sounds more like a army special ops command failure than a marine failure.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:43 am to Jim Rockford
Was he reprimanded? Cause if not, you are dealing with a garden variety liberal political smear.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:46 am to Jim Rockford
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Retired Green Beret officer: Mattis "left my men to die."
War is hell, not a John Wayne movie.
That is all.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 8:06 am to Jim Rockford
What a clown show the left has become
Posted on 12/3/16 at 8:13 am to Jim Rockford
NVM
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 8:15 am
Posted on 12/3/16 at 8:31 am to Jim Rockford
Congrats, you found a leftist hack to attack a republican appointee. Shocker.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 8:36 am to Sentrius
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Confirmation may be 51 votes but the waiver itself will have to be separate legislation and that needs 60 votes, so that's about 8 democrat votes. I can see Manchin, Coons, and 5 democrats up for rebellion in ruby red states going for the waiver. He's going to need one or two more.
Or...the statute can be challenged on the basis it is an unconstitutional limitation on the President's appointment powers.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 8:38 am to Jim Rockford
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This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 8:44 am
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