re: Women in Combat Arms: The Master Thread

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Ideally, there wouldn't be a "which standards."

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I know the DODI issued recently to Commanders skirts the issue a little, it provides guidance on how to help Larry become Laura but nothing concerning standards and which to apply until Laura becomes a female in DEERS.

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Ideally, there wouldn't be a "which standards."

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This. It is a binary decision. Either-or.

Either we keep women out of combat arms and have different standards (which recognize physical differences).

Or we have one standard across the board.

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Can the replacements really undo the opened can of worms; regarding women in combat roles and transexuals serving?

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Women are not generally pushing this issue. Ought to be easy enough to walk back, I think.

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The left is going to be in perpetual melt down mode for the next 4 years regardless of what Trump does.

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Very true, no need to provide batting practice though.

If he empowers his SecDef (please, please Webb) then this is a moot point. The policy will be rolled back. And that is the best course of action. Let a surrogate handle it.

The wildcard is that DJT is not a politician. He is not looking at 2020. So I anticipate he will give his subordinates broad powers.

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Default to male standards, in my opinion. If this is here to stay, it's time to get rid of male/female standards anyway.

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Agree.

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If I had control of it, we'd make the standards more difficult for everyone. Forget females and transgenders. There are plenty of weak men that have no business wearing a uniform, either

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So PFT isn't about fitness but a weeding device in your opinion?

Hee hee...

Senators Criticize Ray Mabus for Neglecting Marine Study About Women in Combat

Members of the Senate Armed Services Committee grilled Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus on Monday for neglecting a study by the Marine Corps about the integration of women into all facets of the service, including boot camp.

The Marine Corps completed a multi-million dollar study in December that found that mixed-gender units performed poorly in ground combat tasks compared to all-male units. It has been the policy of the Marine Corps to keep ground combat all-male, and to separate men and women in enlisted basic training.

Secretary Mabus criticized the Marine Corps after it released the report, and after Secretary of Defense Ash Carter declined to exempt Marines from the requirement to open all positions to women, Mabus demanded that Marine Corps boot camp cease separating men and women for training.

At Tuesday’s hearing, Marine reserve officer Sen. Dan Sullivan (R., Alaska) questioned Mabus about his handling of the report and whether he came to a conclusion before the report was completed.

Mabus admitted he had not read the full study when he overrode the Marine Corps’ request for an exemption.

“You said ‘I do not see any reason for an exemption’ the day after the study was published. Based on what?” Sullivan asked.

“The conclusions,” Mabus said.

“Did you read the study?” Sen. Sullivan asked.

“I read the study,” Mabus said.

“Did you read the study before you stated that?” Sen. Sullivan asked.

“I had read the conclusions that the Marines drew from the study prior to that, and those conclusions which were based on averages and not on individual Marines,” Mabus said.

Sen. Sullivan then asked Mabus’s rush for gender-integration of the military contradicted a report on the effect of gender-integration in boot camps commissioned by the Department of Defense and completed in December 1997, known as the Kassebaum-Baker Report.

“I think that’s a completely irrelevant point, Senator,” Mabus said.

“You know, Secretary Mabus, this would have been a lot easier if you had not called in the press immediately and debunked what many of us view as a legitimate study without even reading it, and I don’t believe that you read a thousand page document in one day. I’m sorry, but I don’t believe it,” Sen. John McCain (R., Ariz.) said later in the hearing."

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Mabus had to back off, the freaking moron.

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So PFT isn't about fitness but a weeding device in your opinion?

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Absolutely. Passing the PFT/CFT is ridiculously easy with minimal effort. If you're (collective you) only active enough to pass, or even only enough to do well, you're failing. In my opinion, of course.