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re: Women in Combat Arms: The Master Thread
Posted on 11/17/16 at 9:55 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 11/17/16 at 9:55 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:So no flexibility nor latitude for the commander, just the one size fits all approach?
If he can't hit Army/Navy standards, I'd say both. If that's a problem, make him a civilian.
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 9:56 am to Jbird
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Okay so let me ask you this. The surgeon at Walter Reed should be held to the same standard as a line grunt?
You are sounding like that one officer talking about changing the AF PT standards to each job...
frick that we have enough fat bodies. Not as many as the Army though.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 9:57 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:You do not understand the pipeline we have and the money it takes to produce a military physician. If they are good and a physically capable we have a lot of institutions we are competing with. And you are limited in how you can deploy a civilian.
If that's a problem, make him a civilian.
We can strike a balance.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 9:57 am to Wolfhound45
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Breh, no
The goal is to save lives. We do not need a studly version of Frank Burns.
Nope, that isn't what I'm asking for. What are the Army's standards for a typically aged LtCol? Not that bad, I'm sure. I know the Navy's are embarrassing.
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From 101 yards.
This has been my greatest trick.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 9:58 am to StraightCashHomey21
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I been busy.....
Posted on 11/17/16 at 9:58 am to WhiskeyPapa
quote:Okay so let me ask you this, when he gets ready to slice on you do you want the surgeon that rocked his PFT or would you prefer the one who excels in his craft and spends the time and effort to hone his craft?
What if he becomes a battalion surgeon?
Posted on 11/17/16 at 9:59 am to Jbird
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So no flexibility nor latitude for the commander, just the one size fits all approach?
Are we talking about current standards? If so, no, and I think that's perfectly reasonable.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 9:59 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:Bastard
Not as many as the Army though.
You know that is not true.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 9:59 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:Nope what I am advocating is putting it back in the hands of the commander where it should be, the USAFA academy pilot we lost is one prime example.
You are sounding like that one officer talking about changing the AF PT standards to each job...
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:00 am to Jbird
In general discussion. I agree with GT23. When Mabus and Ash Carter go away this entire social engineering experiment also goes away-quietly...
The women in combat roles; may remain and be slightly amended with common sense.
The women in combat roles; may remain and be slightly amended with common sense.
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 10:02 am
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:01 am to Wolfhound45
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Bastard You know that is not true.
that's not what the military times said.....
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:01 am to Champagne
quote:I also replied to your 4 points and would like to get your thoughts.
Champagne
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:01 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Follow the pipeline bro. If I sign a candidate to an HPSP scholarhip (Health Professions Scholarship Program), they pass medical school and their residency and their boards and then "fails" their APFT, should I separate them?
Trust me, I have seen individuals attempt to do this.
Trust me, I have seen individuals attempt to do this.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:01 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Interesting, so you prefer a rigid system which ties the hands of the commander?
Are we talking about current standards? If so, no, and I think that's perfectly reasonable.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:02 am to Jbird
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Nope what I am advocating is putting it back in the hands of the commander where it should be, the USAFA academy pilot we lost is one prime example.
The AF test is dumb how if you fail the waist you fail everything.
I'm pretty sure in the army you can fail the waste and do well on everything else and still be good.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:02 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:Well if it is in the Military Times
that's not what the military times said.....
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:03 am to Jbird
Nobody cares about doctors. We're talking about the real military here.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:03 am to Wolfhound45
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You do not understand the pipeline
Maybe not, but I don't really need to for my point.
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We can strike a balance.
That's my point. I don't expect surgeons to be in BRC shape, but I also don't think we should have a bunch of fatties, either.
*Caveat that my experience is with the Navy, and they're just fat in general.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:03 am to Wolfhound45
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Trust me, I have seen individuals attempt to do this.
They clearly don't have integrity.
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should I separate them?
yes
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:03 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:I know back in the old day it was at the discretion of the commander, if you passed everything else and didn't look like a bucket of shite you were good to go.
The AF test is dumb how if you fail the waist you fail everything. I'm pretty sure in the army you can fail the waste and do well on everything else and still be good.
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