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re: What is the argument for the electoral college instead of a popular vote?
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:12 am to rt3
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:12 am to rt3
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would you want California & New York basically deciding every election?
NY metro is 18 million
LA county is 10 million
SF Bay is 6 million
Chicago is 5 million.
you start with that, you likely win.
Plus currently Dems are strong in the megalopolis from Arlington VA to Boston Mass.
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Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:14 am to CelticDog
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NY metro is 18 million
LA county is 10 million
SF Bay is 6 million
Chicago is 5 million.
you start with that, you likely win.
Plus currently Dems are strong in the megalopolis from Arlington VA to Boston Mass.
Houston? Dallas?
They wouldn't sweep those cities at all. They would get a lot of it, but the other areas of the states would bring combine to bring it much closer in the end.
And only 3.7 million voters are registered in NYC metro. The numbers you need are "registered voters" in each area.
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 11:16 am
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:17 am to Pilot Tiger
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Wyoming has 3 electoral college votes and has a population of 586,0000
California has 55 electoral college votes and has a population of almost 40 million
Therefore, each of Wyoming's electoral college votes represents about 195,333 of its states citizens whereas in California each votes represents 711,723
The electoral college lets small states have a "bigger" say in Presidential elections
If California had the same ratio as Wyoming, it would have over 200 electoral college votes for example
That's solely due to Wyoming's population not being large enough to warrant more than one representative in the House.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:21 am to TheCaterpillar
quote:infinitely better than Captain Carbon Credits
Because W was the GOAT
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:27 am to TheCaterpillar
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What is the argument for the electoral college instead of a popular vote?
We are the United STATES of America.
We can't continue to strip away our States' powers.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:32 am to Antonio Moss
The idea behind the EC was that people in individual states had somewhat similar political ideals. The EC would, in theory, protect those ideals. Today, information is more vast and readily available. The guy in Pensacola has nothing in common with the guy in Miami.
Why have the EC when congressional districts aim to do the same thing -- represent people with common interests.
Why have the EC when congressional districts aim to do the same thing -- represent people with common interests.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:40 am to Vacherie Saint
We don't elect our President by popular vote. We elect that individual through 50 separate state elections. Those states then send electors based on their own state rules as to how those votes are cast (i.e., ME and NE can split theirs).
The purpose is to prevent states that are more populous from drowning out those that are not. In our modern Era, it prevents NYC, LA, and Chicago from dictating to the rest of the nation who should be President. Instead, they only influence their state's electors. It makes the candidates get out and campaign to the whole country.
The purpose is to prevent states that are more populous from drowning out those that are not. In our modern Era, it prevents NYC, LA, and Chicago from dictating to the rest of the nation who should be President. Instead, they only influence their state's electors. It makes the candidates get out and campaign to the whole country.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:42 am to Mo Jeaux
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We were. We were a republic.
"A Republic, if you can keep it" -- Ben Franklin
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:42 am to TheCaterpillar
It makes everything much easier as far as tallying "votes" for president/vp. There is too much room for frick ups if you use the popular vote, and people can argue forever over one hanging chad.
Think of it like this.....would you rather have a meeting with 300 employees or 5 managers?
# of electors is basically based off of population, so people arguing the small states vs big city thing are wasting their time. That only effects very small states with 3 votes, which is an almost inconsequential number in the grand scheme of things.
A huge problem with it IMHO, is that candidates focus in just a few key swing states with the most votes. I am appreciative that Trump spent much time all over the country. Hillary basically spent her time in 5 states.
Think of it like this.....would you rather have a meeting with 300 employees or 5 managers?
# of electors is basically based off of population, so people arguing the small states vs big city thing are wasting their time. That only effects very small states with 3 votes, which is an almost inconsequential number in the grand scheme of things.
A huge problem with it IMHO, is that candidates focus in just a few key swing states with the most votes. I am appreciative that Trump spent much time all over the country. Hillary basically spent her time in 5 states.
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 11:47 am
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:43 am to TheCaterpillar
It's to keep the emotional and avg IQ populace of 90 to be able to make a major foolish decision. Example... if they all voted for Vermin Supreme... the electoral college would step in and rebuke that stupidity.
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 11:43 am
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:49 am to TheCaterpillar
quote:Maine does this with one of their EC votes. They have normal ones, and an extra one that encompasses the entire state
Award a percentage of the EC votes according to the % of the vote the candidate gets in that state
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:54 am to Hugo Stiglitz
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It's was designed to prevent candidates from only campaigning in the cities.
Hugo, you are wrong.
I thought it was put into existence to prevent mob rule?
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The Electoral College was created for two reasons. The first purpose was to create a buffer between population and the selection of a President. The second as part of the structure of the government that gave extra power to the smaller states.
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They believed that with the Electoral College no one would be able to manipulate the citizenry. It would act as check on an electorate that might be duped. Hamilton and the other founders did not trust the population to make the right choice.
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The founding fathers were afraid of direct election to the Presidency. They feared a tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come to power.
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 11:56 am
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:54 am to TheCaterpillar
^Adding to the above:
Ask any history professor and they'll tell you it was set up because the founders didn't think the common man was smart enough to vote, so the EC was the middle man.
Ask any history professor and they'll tell you it was set up because the founders didn't think the common man was smart enough to vote, so the EC was the middle man.
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 11:56 am
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:55 am to TheCaterpillar
same argument for the 2nd amendment
its in the constitution
its in the constitution
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:56 am to Hammertime
quote:
Maine does this with one of their EC votes. They have normal ones, and an extra one that encompasses the entire state
It's actually two.
Your EC is your # of senators plus # of representatives. In Maine and Nebraska, the winner of the state vote gets the two Senator votes. The winner of each representative district gets that vote.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:58 am to TheCaterpillar
They should use the Electorial College as intended. Do not make winner take all.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:58 am to BamaCoaster
quote:officially yes, realistically we are neither.
We're a republic
Not a democracy
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:59 am to TheCaterpillar
Without the electoral college, conservatism would be dead. The heavy population states would dominate the political process, and small town American values would be forgotten.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:00 pm to TheCaterpillar
If you want CA and NY to pick your president every year, go with the popular vote.
In 2000 we would have elected Al Gore as president w/o the electoral college. (looking back that may not have been a bad thing)
In 2000 we would have elected Al Gore as president w/o the electoral college. (looking back that may not have been a bad thing)
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:01 pm to TheCaterpillar
It is the final brake against demagoguery and the popular vote. Depending upon state law, an electoral college member does not have to vote for the candidate who won their state.
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