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re: Why O is Not the man for the Job
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:39 am to terriblegreen
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:39 am to terriblegreen
Louisville dropped how many points on Fla State??
They can keep Mr. Jimbo.
They can keep Mr. Jimbo.
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Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:39 am to Lester Earl
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If Coach O is kept, it will have a lot to do with recruiting. You can bet that.
I don't disagree.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:39 am to dreaux
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When will it stop
Never. I remember during my freshman year at LSU, while sitting in the stands at the second football game of the year, listening to LSU fans calling for Arnsparger's head because he was obviously stupid and knew nothing about football. That is just our fan base. You might as well embrace it.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:40 am to slackster
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They'd rather roll with a local boy than get some top flight coach.
I mean, you do realize he is one of the 5 to 10 best recruiters in the whole country, right?
Look, I'm not for O yet, I want to see how these games play out. But seemingly, it could work given LSU's unique recruiting backdrop. Great motivators with marginal talent have done some great things in sports. Imagine a great motivator with top notch talent. This is what LSU was at it's peak with Les Miles. He was just too stubborn to adapt & change.
Coach O has a pretty good blueprint on what to do & what not to do from Miles. And he seems to be acting on that. Let's see how he handles these next few games.
This post was edited on 10/28/16 at 9:42 am
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:41 am to PlayActionPass
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Louisville dropped how many points on Fla State??
They can keep Mr. Jimbo.
An offensive minded HC gets criticized for his defensive performance, but we want to hire a DL coach due to the offensive performance over the last 3 weeks? Awesome.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:42 am to ibleedprplngld
An LSU coach can be dressed up all pretty and be able to hang with the elite, but all that goes to hell when the losing starts. Give me a winner, both on and off the field. Coach O may have some rough edges but if he wins and the players "play" for him, he deserves to be head coach. IMO, the days of a coach staying 8, 10, 15 years at the same university are over.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:43 am to ibleedprplngld
You put this post on here, don't get so pissy when we don't agree with you...
Shouldn't play with matches, kiddo, might burn your pubes...
Shouldn't play with matches, kiddo, might burn your pubes...
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:44 am to whitetiger1234
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Jimbo under acheives and Herman has been a head coach for 2 years... This season is the first season we have seen him face adversity and he
Jimbo is ranked #12 and has a rsFR QB starting after making the playoffs in its first 2 years of existence
How does he underachieve?
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:44 am to Lester Earl
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I mean, you do realize he is one of the 5 to 10 best recruiters in the whole country, right?
Yes. I'd love to keep him. In fact, I was critical of the decision to make him the interim coach because I knew that meant he'd have to be hired permanently or we'd lose him.
Like you said, I'm taking the wait and see approach.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:44 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:frick yeah baw, that is my exact sentiment.
Don't care...ENJOYING LSU FOOTBALL AGAIN!
That is enough for me. I'll let the dudes that actually HIRE coaches worry with this shite
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:45 am to Salmon
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I'm aware, just thought it was funny that we just fired the guy that many described exactly as you said
And a lot of fans are critical of firing Miles. Especially since there wasn't a top named guy in place to take over.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:45 am to ibleedprplngld
I agree that Coach O would not be a good hire if we don't have a long-term plan to keep Aranda and hand him the team eventually. We'd likely have a competitive year next year but after that I predict a slide.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:46 am to ibleedprplngld
I like O and I'm torn on this. This is how I look at it though:
Miles was not a great Xs and Os guy, he got more conservative over time and the game passed him by. This team and staff is elite and 100% les miles though.
I think in your future coach you have to look at what your roster/staff and program overall will look like 3-4 years from now, not if he can win games when he already has all that. I'm not just talking coaches, I'm including guys like Austin Thomas and other elite support personnel behind the scenes from across the country.
How much was miles and how much was LSU I do not know.
Obviously O can recruit. Will O have a high graduation rate, will he keep off the field incidents fairly low, can he evaluate elite support staff and will they come work for him?
He's only had succes as an interim, what will his offseason approach show on the field?
It's easy to just cut practice time during the season for a few weeks and have guys looking fresh.
As much as I love O and think he's doing everything he needs to right now, do we not agree there are 50+ coaches in America that could beat Missouri/southern miss/ole miss handily with this roster and staff by just staying out of their way?
What happened at ole miss, why did he not have that team getting better? Others have, there are others out there that could. Maybe he's learned from it or maybe he's just an elite DL coach and recruiter but not an elite CEO for long term football operations. I have no idea.
The people making these decisions should know these answers and hopefully they make the right choice. There is just so much more to look at than the last 3 weeks on the field in regards to what our program would look like top to bottom 3-4 years.
I will say I love all the moves he has made so far, from shortening practice to reaching out to former players. Even letting the young guys scrimmage and the starters coach them this week, giving them prospective from the other side. Nothing would make me happier than O having great success here as the HC. We'll see
Miles was not a great Xs and Os guy, he got more conservative over time and the game passed him by. This team and staff is elite and 100% les miles though.
I think in your future coach you have to look at what your roster/staff and program overall will look like 3-4 years from now, not if he can win games when he already has all that. I'm not just talking coaches, I'm including guys like Austin Thomas and other elite support personnel behind the scenes from across the country.
How much was miles and how much was LSU I do not know.
Obviously O can recruit. Will O have a high graduation rate, will he keep off the field incidents fairly low, can he evaluate elite support staff and will they come work for him?
He's only had succes as an interim, what will his offseason approach show on the field?
It's easy to just cut practice time during the season for a few weeks and have guys looking fresh.
As much as I love O and think he's doing everything he needs to right now, do we not agree there are 50+ coaches in America that could beat Missouri/southern miss/ole miss handily with this roster and staff by just staying out of their way?
What happened at ole miss, why did he not have that team getting better? Others have, there are others out there that could. Maybe he's learned from it or maybe he's just an elite DL coach and recruiter but not an elite CEO for long term football operations. I have no idea.
The people making these decisions should know these answers and hopefully they make the right choice. There is just so much more to look at than the last 3 weeks on the field in regards to what our program would look like top to bottom 3-4 years.
I will say I love all the moves he has made so far, from shortening practice to reaching out to former players. Even letting the young guys scrimmage and the starters coach them this week, giving them prospective from the other side. Nothing would make me happier than O having great success here as the HC. We'll see
This post was edited on 10/28/16 at 9:53 am
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:47 am to ibleedprplngld
What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on tRant is now dumber for reading it. I award you no upvotes, and may God have mercy on your soul.
This post was edited on 10/28/16 at 9:49 am
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:48 am to ibleedprplngld
Understand where your coming from but Jimbo and Herman aren't doing so hot right now. Both are struggling. What about Rich Rod? Wasn't he big time when Michigan hired him? That didn't go so well. Why not give O a two year deal if he finishes with no more than one loss? How is that gonna affect us for 10 years? Regardless coach O is still gonna recruit well, so the talent will be in place if he should fail(which I do believe he would do real well until he burns out like Les did.).Not mad, just legit question and views of how I see it. 
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:48 am to Bmath
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And a lot of fans are critical of firing Miles. Especially since there wasn't a top named guy in place to take over.
We really don't know this.
A theory I've heard is that negotiations with Jimbo were finalized last year, and when Miles lost to Wisky they were still on the table which allowed a quick firing of Miles. If Jimbo is named HC immediately after the season, you can bet that is exactly what happened.
If CEO wins out, it puts a wrench in things in a good way. I don't know if LSU can win out, but they have the talent and are about to get the biggest test of the year.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:49 am to ibleedprplngld
I believe this LSU coached team would beat Jimbo's and Herman's team.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:56 am to ibleedprplngld
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Herman or Jimbo or Fedora or Kelly or Fleck
Herman's last 3 games were a loss to Navy, barely squeaked out win vs Tulsa, and being completely beaten down by SMU. His stock is falling fast.
Jimbo won a natty and has ties to LSU, but I think that bridge got burned last year with all the leaks that Miles was out and Jimbo was coming to LSU last November. Put him in a bad position with all that leaked then LSU keeping Miles.
Fedora is having a good season at UNC, but his 2 losses look bad. Georgia has turned out to be terrible and Va Tech blew UNC out by 30. No guarantee he'll be the elite coach LSU wants.
Which Kelly...Chip or Brian? Chip wants to be an NFL coach, so forget about him. Brian is 2-5 this season and his last 4 years are 9-4, 8-5, 10-3, 2-5 (so far)...at whats historically been an elite program.
With Fleck, he's young and Western Michigan has gotten better each year but he's only got 3.5 years as a HC in the MAC and before that had a few stops as a WR coach. Not proven under big time program expectations.
I've come to conclusion that there's only one coach out there who has the experience and success that LSU fans will demand. We need to get Nick Saban back. Write him a blank check and promise him a bigger statue than he has in Tuscaloosa...and maybe a new statue for each national title. And we'll rename one of the streets next to TS for him
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:59 am to thanksjhester
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Why not give O a two year deal if he finishes with no more than one loss?
Short deals like that for a HC hurt you in recruiting because it shows that the school isn't committed to the coach and high probability of coaching change.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:01 am to Lester Earl
quote:Peveto?
ere's a reason most of our best recruiters over the years have all been from Louisiana.
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