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re: Thousands of former Cali National Guardsmen forced to repay enlistment bonuses
Posted on 10/22/16 at 11:48 pm to GetCocky11
Posted on 10/22/16 at 11:48 pm to GetCocky11
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Well, that is a load of crap.
The GOP could fix this in a week, knowing they have control of the House and Senate.
They can create the legislature and ensure it passed.
Why do you think they don't?
Other than enlisted people are a joke to those in power?
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Posted on 10/22/16 at 11:49 pm to GetCocky11
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Well, that is a load of crap.
They should get the money from California. The recruits didn't do anything wrong.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 12:00 am to Kujo
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and because they are military who LIED for free money...you just want them to have it?
You obviously didn't read the article.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 12:03 am to RollTide1987
Did they apply and receive money for something that they aren't qualified?
Did they Sign something, or did someone just hand them money?
Did they Sign something, or did someone just hand them money?
Posted on 10/23/16 at 12:04 am to SCLibertarian
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That's what happens when your warmongering government views the armed forces as nothing more than meat suits and cannon fodder fighting for special interests around the globe.
That may be true, but it is unrelated to what happened here.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 12:07 am to GetCocky11
Banks get bailed out.
Corrupt cities and counties get bailed.
frick the serviceman, right?
Corrupt cities and counties get bailed.
frick the serviceman, right?
Posted on 10/23/16 at 12:13 am to Kujo
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Did they apply and receive money for something that they aren't qualified?
Yes.
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Did they Sign something, or did someone just hand them money?
Signed contracts stipulating payments based on eligibility criteria that were not met.
There were higher ups who facilitated this fraud and have been convicted, but I refuse to believe that even enlisted would sign a contract that requires redeployment without reading it and knowing they were ineligible for the bonus being paid. A few, maybe, but most of them would have known they weren't entitled to the money.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 12:37 am to Evolved Simian
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but I refuse to believe that even enlisted would sign a contract that requires redeployment without reading it
You would be oh so wrong then. When you have an officer or a higher enlisted person telling these kids that they are eligible, who are they to doubt them? Many of them are quite ignorant to how these things work. Most come from poor socioeconomic backgrounds with a GED or high school diploma as their highest form of education. When someone offers them free money and says all they have to do is sign on the dotted line, many will not ask for their attorney to read over the contract before signing.
This post was edited on 10/23/16 at 12:38 am
Posted on 10/23/16 at 1:42 am to RollTide1987
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You would be oh so wrong then. When you have an officer or a higher enlisted person telling these kids that they are eligible, who are they to doubt them? Many of them are quite ignorant to how these things work. Most come from poor socioeconomic backgrounds with a GED or high school diploma as their highest form of education. When someone offers them free money and says all they have to do is sign on the dotted line, many will not ask for their attorney to read over the contract before signing.
Even if all this is true, and not doubting it is, it is no more excusable than any other half-wit signing a contract.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 5:31 am to Kujo
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It's like the GOV handing out money to flood victims who claimed to be flood victims, and then later it's determined "your house didn't flood".....and then their claim is "you shouldn't haven't believed me and given me money"?
No it isn't.
It's closer to you talking to the FEMA rep who has your case file and is telling you that you qualify for X, Y, and Z and pushing your paperwork through when you don't qualify.
There are some who lied, but that was the recruiters and personnel managers whose jobs revolved around people enlisted/reenlisting.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 6:45 am to GetCocky11
Well, these guys got money they weren't entitled to.
As a fiscally responsible tax-payer, this sounds like a step in the right direction.
Not that this matters, but I'm also a combat veteran. Anyone who has served knows you're going to pay back money you received but weren't entitled to.
As a fiscally responsible tax-payer, this sounds like a step in the right direction.
Not that this matters, but I'm also a combat veteran. Anyone who has served knows you're going to pay back money you received but weren't entitled to.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 7:21 am to GetCocky11
Just another reason for Cali to break off and float away
Posted on 10/23/16 at 8:29 am to Kujo
All of you rock heads saying "they got money they weren't entitled to" do not know how recruiting works. The Army, in the form of recruiters promised these recruits x amount of money to enlist during the height of the war, whether California national guard had that money to give is in no way the recruits fault as they have no authority. They agreed to their contract in part because of the bonus, they upheld their end of the deal which in-fact qualified them for the money they received. That's how enlistment/re-enlistmeht bonuses work. It's not there fault the green suitor representing the army didn't have the money to give.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 9:25 am to 13SaintTiger
I was in the active duty military for 21 years. More than half of the people who join the Guard get screwed in the enlistment contracts so this is not surprising to me.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 10:45 am to GetCocky11
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Investigations have determined that lack of oversight allowed for widespread fraud and mismanagement by California Guard officials under pressure to meet enlistment targets.
Sounds a lot like the Wells Fargo fake accounts scandal. Pressure from higher ups to get numbers up without any real direction or oversight. California Guard officials are responsible and should be prosecuted. But since this was under Republican Govenor Schwarzenegger's watch, it will be GW Bush's fault and it will be said that Trump doesn't care about military families.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 12:42 pm to 13SaintTiger
quote:I'll retort. Who in their right mind actually believes an Army recruiter?
ck heads saying "they got money they weren't entitled to" do not know how recruiting works. The Army, in the form of recruiters promised these recruits x amount of money to enlist during the height of the war, whether California national guard had that money to give is in no way the recruits fault as they have no authority. They agreed to their contract in part because of the bonus, they upheld their end of the deal which in-fact qualified them for the money they received. That's how enlistment/re-enlistmeht bonuses work. It's not there fault the green suitor representing the army didn't have the money to give.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 1:32 pm to King Teal
There's a reason why at Fort Robinson (PEC) that the Incentives/ESO/GI Bill courses start off with the joke, "Don't do a California"
The processes in place now regarding Incentives, directly stem from what took place in MSG Jaffe's office
The processes in place now regarding Incentives, directly stem from what took place in MSG Jaffe's office
This post was edited on 10/23/16 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 10/23/16 at 2:00 pm to GetCocky11
Well, that's the government's frick up, not the troops. Sorry, but how about you fire those responsible for this, and make sure it doesn't happen again.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 2:37 pm to jorconalx
Fine by me...we don't have to give any more money to southern states, right?
Posted on 10/23/16 at 3:35 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Fine by me...we don't have to give any more money to southern states, right
Sure so long as we get our mineral rights particularly oil and gas royalties that the feds pass around throughout the country.
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