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re: Let's talk Dave Aranda for a minute.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 11:07 am to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 10/19/16 at 11:07 am to TheCaterpillar
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People wanting to hire Orgeron as full time head coach are out of their fricking minds. If he was from New Jersey nobody would want to hire him.
this is absolutely correct.
A huge part of the O love is because he's from Louisiana and has an accent.
I even saw a prior poster say we should hire O because he "loves LSU." As if that's meaningful.
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Posted on 10/19/16 at 11:12 am to colors_of_kings
I think he's in the perfect place right now. This is the first time he's had elite talent and depth to work with (and we're not even full strength). Herman gonna keep that associate HC tag on him 
Posted on 10/19/16 at 11:15 am to atltiger6487
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I even saw a prior poster say we should hire O because he "loves LSU." As if that's meaningful.
Johnny Jones loves LSU too! Lifetime contract!
Posted on 10/19/16 at 11:20 am to dgnx6
Don't forget that Les won a lot of ball games at LSU as well. Winningest coach ever....
Posted on 10/19/16 at 11:29 am to S
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Herman gonna keep that associate HC tag on him
I know it wont happen but a boy can dream
Posted on 10/19/16 at 11:34 am to colors_of_kings
Why would Aranda be going anywhere, he has two more years on his contract and he is presently getting paid more than almost 70 of the 128 head coaches in football?
Posted on 10/19/16 at 11:36 am to Number2
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Had Aranda been able to pull Moses
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Awards Football Scoop LB Coach of the Year (2015)
This helps.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 11:41 am to atltiger6487
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this is absolutely correct. A huge part of the O love is because he's from Louisiana and has an accent. I even saw a prior poster say we should hire O because he "loves LSU." As if that's meaningful.
I like O because of the way the team looks. It's only been two games, but this is a completely different LSU team. This is more akin to what everyone thought the preseason playoff team would look like. I think O is letting the coaches coach and with that philosophy he could win a lot of games at LSU. I think as of 2016 O is a much better coach than Les Miles. A lot of fans still support Miles because he backed into a championship in 2007. I'm not entirely sure about Herman. There has been lots of coaches that could blow away competition at the Houston level and not amount to much in major conference play. I also believe that the terrible job of coaching he did at Ole Miss is a positive. Coaches in the vein of Belicheck, Saban, Spurrier, and Carroll have learned a great deal through failure at some point. Saban at Alabama is light years beyond Saban at LSU. Some of the best coaching Spurrier has ever done was making South Carolina semi-relevant for a few years.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 11:52 am to colors_of_kings
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Or let's say Coach O is hired, are you confident he will find a good DC replacement?
No, I'm not.
That's why basing too much off of how this season plays out is very risky. Running a football program year-to-year is complex and very different from inheriting a team and staff for part of a season. O has never successfully done it. Can he identify and hire great coordinators? We won't find out by watching the rest of the games this season.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 11:56 am to raginjeauxcajun
Who has more ranked wins as a HC, Coach O in 3 full years as HC + 2 interim positions, or Tom Herman in a season and a half at Houston? Who has more total wins? If Miles "backed into" a championship in 2007, how does Coach O get any credit for anything he accomplishes in the next 2 seasons if he does stay?
Posted on 10/19/16 at 11:58 am to olgoi khorkhoi
This is precisely why Aranda should be considered the most valuable coach on the staff right now. Let's flip the roles. Aranda doesn't need Coach O, that tells me a lot.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 12:13 pm to CarrolltonTiger
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Why would Aranda be going anywhere, he has two more years on his contract
Does he though? I would assume there is a clause in there that would allow him to leave if the HC was fired. The anti-Les Miles Clause, if you will. And I don't think he'd stick around to work under Orgeron if that's the case.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 12:26 pm to KingBeingking
See nick Saban... kirby was in no way responsible for Alabama. If he was somehow responsible for Alabama's success, then explain Alabama's defensive success this year. I'll do it for you, Nick Saban. Aranda is undoubtedly a difference maker. If you can't see that, then you're not looking for the truth.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 12:45 pm to 7nette
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Who has more ranked wins as a HC, Coach O in 3 full years as HC + 2 interim positions, or Tom Herman in a season and a half at Houston? Who has more total wins? If Miles "backed into" a championship in 2007, how does Coach O get any credit for anything he accomplishes in the next 2 seasons if he does stay?
Under this logic no one gets credit for the next 2 years. Miles backed into a championship by being the only school in the BCS era to get there with 2 losses. Both of them were bad losses, one to Kentucky and the other by giving up 50 points at home to Arkansas. He backed in because enough teams lost ahead of him to give LSU the chance to be there.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 1:07 pm to raginjeauxcajun
and using this logic, Alabama backed into a championship in 2011.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 1:11 pm to KingBeingking
Or see Muschamp... not as successful as a HC even though he was the "HC in waiting"
Posted on 10/19/16 at 1:18 pm to atltiger6487
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Aranda has zero head coaching experience at any level. Coordinator and head coach are completely different jobs requiring completely different skill sets. Aranda may make a good HC one day, but we don't know. Like O, he needs to go get a HC job at a lower school, kick arse, and then the big jobs will come calling. Too much risk for a school like LSU to hire a coordinator with zero HC experience.
All of this. I think people get way too ahead of themselves on the "we better hang on to him because schools will come snatch him away as a HC." Look at Cam Cameron. Everyone was saying that after 2013 and he's fired 3 years later.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 10:29 pm to Hot Carl
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I would assume there is a clause in there that would allow him to leave if the HC was fired.
I would assume he got that big 3-year contract without the Miles clause because he expected the HC could be fired.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 10:32 pm to CarrolltonTiger
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would assume he got that big 3-year contract without the Miles clause because he expected the HC could be fired.
Exactly, he knew Miles was toast when he signed
Posted on 10/19/16 at 10:38 pm to Lakeboy7
I think coach o not letting Aranda go nowhere, he loves the guy philosophy. Also coach Pete Jenkins have mad respect for him, that's a big plus to keep him around if orgeron becomes head coach.
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