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re: Les Miles-Lloyd Carr Comparison
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:58 am to blackjackjackson
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:58 am to blackjackjackson
I downvoted a similar post of yours. Didn't realize it was sarcasm. Have an upvote.
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Posted on 9/23/16 at 12:18 pm to Forkbeard3777
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We were stale with Lloyd Carr.
And you fired the two coaches after him.
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we were at least able to win a Sugar Bowl during that drought
While playing in a weak conference. If you had been in the SEC, you would have been lucky to play in Shreveport.
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We're sitting pretty high right now with Harbaugh
Eight million a year to go 9-3, get embarrassed by OSU by 30 points, and have a cluster frick loss to MSU is your idea of sitting high?
Posted on 9/23/16 at 1:31 pm to MoneyTime
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The grass isn't always greener on the other side....
The problem is that for every 1 saban that you come across, you will have to work through 3 dinardos.
Top tier coaches are not easy to find. A lot of guys who seem promising don't turn out to be as advertised. Keep in mind Rich Rod was very successful at W.V. which is not the easiest place to win at....
This is nonsense. Can you point to one thing Miles does that another coach couldn't? We live in Louisiana and sit right next door to Texas. Miss St wins 8-9 games a year in the same division with average talent at best. Arkansas has developed a hard nosed team with half the talent we possess. Miles has currently pulled in the #6, #2, #5, and #3 classes over the past 4 years, and we look like hot garbage against an FCS school, some Big 10 average body, and mediocre vs the worst team in our division.
Two of our 3 losses last year were by 2 or more TDs to guys with not even half the football talent or SEC head coaching experience as Miles. Five of our eight losses in 2014 and 2015 were by 2 or more TDs.
Over the past 4 years Miles is barely over .500 vs SEC teams and all teams that have at least a .500 or better record during the year he played them.
There are plenty who could do just as well as Miles with less talent and a more enjoyable team. Several would do much better if they had the talent that Miles gets.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 1:34 pm to TopWaterTiger
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more often than not, it doesn't work out well.
bullshite.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 1:44 pm to TopWaterTiger
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UF after Spurrier,
Won more national titles in the seven years after he left than they did in the 12 years he was there.
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Penn State
Holy shite. Are you seriously blaming Penn State's problems on FIRING Paterno? Tell me you're trolling with this bullshite.
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UTenn after Fulmer, UTex after Brown, UM after Carr, Nebraska, Penn State,
Hell Bama was very spotty for a long long time before Saban.
How do you think all those teams would have fared if they had kept the coaches they fired?
You think Fulmer was going to turn things around at Tennessee? They were going downhill in a hurry. Kiffin might have turned things around, but bolted and the timing forced them to settle on Dooley. Their problems had nothing to do with firing Fulmer.
Texas struggled in the last few years under Brown and would have continued to do so if he had stayed. Right now, they'd be about the same as they are or even worse if he were still there.
Michigan was never going to win another NC under Carr and Ohio State was going to keep dominating them. RichRod seemed like a good answer, but wasn't. Harbaugh is.
Nebraska is in a completely different situation to LSU, so it's silly even to bring them into the conversation.
Bama was spotty before Saban, so does that mean they should have kept Dubose? Price? Shula?
Firing a coach is almost NEVER harmful to a program. Mistakes in hiring his replacement is what harms a program. Even that, however, is minor damage compared to keeping the coach that got fired and letting him continue to run the program into the ground.
Is there anybody on the planet who thinks it was a bad idea for LSU to fire Mike Archer? Even though his replacement did worse than he did, I doubt anyone with a brain would think we should have kept Archer.
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 9/23/16 at 1:51 pm to BayouBengals327
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The big lesson here is that LSU doesn't need to go to an all out spread in one season or with the next coach. They need more creativity within the Pro Style (like Mich St, Stanford, Georgia ect.) Trying to go from a power team to a spread team overnight isn't a great recipe for success like Michigan found out.
The problem you have is thinking that LSU's team is built anything like the type of players Michigan had during that time. Michigan had Big 10 country players in a typical Big 10 boring pro style offense. Rich Rod's offense and personnel he needed for that offense was insanely different. He didn't have the athletes, and those kids came from pro style high school offenses and continued it at Michigan.
LSU has athletes by the truckload, including at QB. The guys we recruit play in a bunch of spread offenses down here in the south (same as Myles Brennan), and would do better to continue playing in these types of offenses.
I just get excited every time when I think what a guy like Lindsey Scott or Lowell Narcisse could do in a Tom Herman offense, or what Myles Brennan could do in a Kendall Briles offense.
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:06 pm to LSU Groupee
You are trippin man. Harbaugh had just taken over the program last year. 
They shouldn't have evened had a 9-3 record with their talent, but he had them playing inspired football again. A great season last year capped off with beating the shite out of an SEC team in a bowl game. And you're laughing at that accomplishment in year 1.
So for this season they already look ready to threaten Ohio St and Mich St. In year 2!
They shouldn't have evened had a 9-3 record with their talent, but he had them playing inspired football again. A great season last year capped off with beating the shite out of an SEC team in a bowl game. And you're laughing at that accomplishment in year 1. So for this season they already look ready to threaten Ohio St and Mich St. In year 2!
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:20 pm to Datbayoubengal
LSU athletes can play in any type of offense. It don't matter, they can adapt. They are that good, but when Miles has Cameron continuing on with that stone age offense that they employ. With QB's like Brandon Harris it is hard for them to adapt. I think a Lindsey Scott would have problems also even though I think he would do better than Harris because this kid is more intelligent. But all the other skill players are fine in any offense. Miles and Cameron really don't know what they are doing offensively. They do know they love to run, but anything else is a challenge for them.
If Miles is still there next season when Narcisse is there they will make that kid look bad too in that offense.
If Miles is still there next season when Narcisse is there they will make that kid look bad too in that offense.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:44 pm to tubucoco
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LSU athletes can play in any type of offense. It don't matter, they can adapt.
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With QB's like Brandon Harris it is hard for them to adapt.
Seems like you are contradicting your own statement. LSU has had an issue at QB. They continue to recruit athletic DT QB's that don't fit with the offensive scheme that miles/cameron deploy. LSU does much better with a pro style pocket passer (i.e. Etling). Problem is that we have struck out recruiting these types and the state of Louisiana doesn't produce many.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 3:13 pm to 1999
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Fear of a potential bad hire is no reason not to make a move.
correct. Otherwise, you're just paralyzed.
If a program is content with 9-3, 8-4 and going to a decent bowl, then stick with the status quo.
But if a program strives to be the very best, you make a move. Of course there's a risk (there's ALWAYS a risk), but otherwise you don't even have a chance to elevate the program.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 3:58 pm to MoneyTime
On that part I am talking about the (dual threat) QB's that they bring in, but overall, the skilled athletes that they have can play in any type of offense. But they kill these type of QB's ability with the crap that they run. It def makes no sense to bring in those type of QB's with the lies they tell them just to get them when they will not play that type of offense. Like Narcisse for instance, I know Cameron told him we will use you like you want to be used just to get the kid to come to LSU. And then you are bringing in Brennan who fits you much more than Narcisse. It's kinda just being greedy by wanting both when you know you will just run one style.
are you really gonna play Brennan in the pro style and then have Narcisse come in for a change of pace?? I don't think so! As it is I don't think they will use Brennan in the way that he likes to be used. He is a gunslinger. I've never known Miles to go full open have you??
are you really gonna play Brennan in the pro style and then have Narcisse come in for a change of pace?? I don't think so! As it is I don't think they will use Brennan in the way that he likes to be used. He is a gunslinger. I've never known Miles to go full open have you??
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 9/23/16 at 4:06 pm to blackjackjackson
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I WANT SABAN, NOBODY BUT SABAN!
nobody is better than saban!
yes, miles is number 2, so let's get saban.
saban, saban, saban, saban,
nicksuckers!
i want someone just like saban , even if he fricks lsu like saban did!
saban fricked lsu! does anyone remember?
and he still frickin' lsu?
what are you idiots? beaten wives who know they deserve the beatings!
who the frick can stand up and be a man???
nicksuckers!
Posted on 9/23/16 at 4:08 pm to MoneyTime
I agree
Posted on 9/23/16 at 4:13 pm to MoneyTime
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Les Miles-Lloyd Carr Comparison
So...we finally moved on from the comparison to Larry Coker?
Posted on 9/23/16 at 4:16 pm to tubucoco
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Brady Hoke had a great career at Michigan off of Rich Rod's players. Once the well went dry so did he
Hoke had top 5 recruiting classes in 2012 and 2013. I know players don't always pan out, but it's not like Harbaugh took over a roster completely devoid of talent like he did at Stanford.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 4:32 pm to MoneyTime
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Seems like you are contradicting your own statement. LSU has had an issue at QB. They continue to recruit athletic DT QB's that don't fit with the offensive scheme that miles/cameron deploy. LSU does much better with a pro style pocket passer (i.e. Etling). Problem is that we have struck out recruiting these types and the state of Louisiana doesn't produce many.
You are missing a big point. Even Etling has struggled when LSU has made him run a "pure pro style" script. Second half of Jacksonville State, play calling went back to the Wisconsin type script, and he didnt looked good. I still dont know was BH would like in the more wide open stuff that Etling has been running. I like Etling, but as soon as he took the field it was 4 and 5 WR sets.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 4:34 pm to tubucoco
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LSU athletes can play in any type of offense. It don't matter, they can adapt. They are that good, but when Miles has Cameron continuing on with that stone age offense that they employ. With QB's like Brandon Harris it is hard for them to adapt. I think a Lindsey Scott would have problems also even though I think he would do better than Harris because this kid is more intelligent. But all the other skill players are fine in any offense. Miles and Cameron really don't know what they are doing offensively. They do know they love to run, but anything else is a challenge for them.
If Miles is still there next season when Narcisse is there they will make that kid look bad too in that offense.
If they allow Scott, Narcisse, or BH run the same wide open stuff that Etling is running, I think they do well. If they try to only throw out of the Spread, and only run out of "I-formation", they will all struggle (including Etling).
Posted on 9/23/16 at 4:39 pm to Datbayoubengal
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The problem you have is thinking that LSU's team is built anything like the type of players Michigan had during that time. Michigan had Big 10 country players in a typical Big 10 boring pro style offense. Rich Rod's offense and personnel he needed for that offense was insanely different. He didn't have the athletes, and those kids came from pro style high school offenses and continued it at Michigan.
LSU has athletes by the truckload, including at QB. The guys we recruit play in a bunch of spread offenses down here in the south (same as Myles Brennan), and would do better to continue playing in these types of offenses.
I just get excited every time when I think what a guy like Lindsey Scott or Lowell Narcisse could do in a Tom Herman offense, or what Myles Brennan could do in a Kendall Briles offense.
I like these thoughts. Bama does not have a feature back this year per se, but I like the mix of pro style and spread(almost trending more towards spread), with desgined QB runs.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 4:45 pm to LSU Groupee
"anyone not worried about our current president and AD making a football hire is not playing with a full deck."
You really think those two idiots are going to make the hire?
You really think those two idiots are going to make the hire?
Posted on 9/23/16 at 4:46 pm to 1999
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The mistake was hiring rich rod.
or not keeping him at least another year or two.
they brought a wide open spread guy in to coach a team that was built to run the exact polar opposite scheme. the guys they need to run his offense are different size, shape, and skill set than they had when he was hired.
i said then it would take at least 4 years to get enough roster turnover to properly run that system. they only gave him 3 years.
then they bring in an I-Formation guy to run a team with very few I-Formation guys left on the roster. again the guys he had didn't have the size or skill set to run the type of scheme he wanted.
now with Harbaugh, it's not as huge of a swing from Hoke's philosophy.
So him simply being better than Hoke showed immediate results and should continue to improve.
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