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Posted on 9/21/16 at 10:30 am to Powerman
quote:Right. It's not like you can have a process and that's it. I can take over Bama and have the perfect process, but I won't exactly add shite to the team by not knowing how to coach a football team.
I'm doubting that he's the only process oriented coach out there
quote:He turned around LSU pretty quickly, that was success we didn't see on that level for a long time.
And let's be honest, the resume only bbecame impressive when he went to Alabama.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 10:31 am to Powerman
Pretty funny seeing everyone talk in circles over a word. Every coach has a process. Saban's process is great because he's great and nobody here is ever going to be able to define it.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 10:31 am to Powerman
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Without elite talent his process wouldn't do him any good
That seems a little hyperbolic. What he's done with elite talent is absurd, considering he isn't the only coach with elite talent
Posted on 9/21/16 at 10:35 am to Powerman
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Is it just me or this whole thing completely made up?
I don't think so. I think what it means is that he understands the impact of luck, and thus places extreme value on making good decisions - i.e. having high quality "inputs", as the output is going to be subject to the effects of luck.
This is to be contrasted with Miles (at least back in the "Mad Hatter" days) when he was always shooting from the hip and doing cowboy type of stuff. Sure, you might have luck coincide with those particular decisions and get some good results (despite poor decision-making.) But, as they say - when the tide goes out, you find out who is actually wearing a bikini.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 10:36 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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That seems a little hyperbolic. What he's done with elite talent is absurd, considering he isn't the only coach with elite talent
Right. No one is doubting that. But he also has the most elite talent if you buy into recruiting rankings.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 10:41 am to Powerman
I mean yea, but if I have 10 bullets and you have 8 that doesn't mean I'm going to win the gunfight every time.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:09 am to Riseupfromtherubble
I see what you're saying but not the best analogy
With successive #1 recruiting depths at worst you probably have better depth than the next guy and at best your starting lineup is more talented as well
As much as the process gets talked about does anyone really believe that they win it all last year without Kiffin? I for one don't.
With successive #1 recruiting depths at worst you probably have better depth than the next guy and at best your starting lineup is more talented as well
As much as the process gets talked about does anyone really believe that they win it all last year without Kiffin? I for one don't.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:25 am to Powerman
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Without elite talent his process wouldn't do him any good
Getting elite talent is part of his process.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:27 am to pvilleguru
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Getting elite talent is part of his process.
Well you'd have to be stupid for it not to be part of the process and we know he's a great coach so that's pretty much a given.
It also helps to be at a powerhouse program. I don't think he could go to Houston and do what someone like Herman has done.
Well perhaps now he could based on reputation but he couldn't have walked in to Houston in 2007 and turned them into anything like they are now IMO
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:29 am to The Egg
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it's how you transform that elite talent is what he's recognized for.
Alabama has just as many busts as everyone else.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:37 am to Powerman
As near as I can tell, Saban and Belichick are very similar. They have a proven process and don't have meddling owners/admins.
Other schools aren't so lucky. Saban truly runs his own show from all impressions. He would not be as successful at Texas or Miami for example.
Other schools aren't so lucky. Saban truly runs his own show from all impressions. He would not be as successful at Texas or Miami for example.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:49 am to Master of Sinanju
Twitter =/= Texting.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:01 pm to Powerman
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Without elite talent his process wouldn't do him any good
Thats the point though. His process with mediocre talent will eventually bring good enough results to entice better talent.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:16 pm to ReauxlTide222
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They might. But I believe that he sticks to his more than any other coach in college football. A big part of "the process" is actually sticking to it every single day.
I disagree. Saban has proven that he isnt rigid in sticking to "his" process every day. He wouldn't have hired the likes of Kiffin (a brilliant move). His process is flexibility which allows constant change to fit what he has to do every week to win. He seems to follow the idea that a good plan is the base for change in achieving victory.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:39 pm to Powerman
It doesn't matter if it is "real." Everyone in that Bama athletic dept from the janitor to Nick's coaches believe on it. That's the key to organizational success; culture and ideals that people believe in.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 3:46 pm to TejasHorn
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As near as I can tell, Saban and Belichick are very similar.
Saban is a great college coach and could go down as the greatest of all time. But he doesn't belong in the same sentence as Bill as far as football knowledge and scheme goes.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 4:02 pm to Powerman
quote:He'd address this by telling you he was still perfecting his process when he went to Alabama. Probably still is.
And let's be honest, the resume only became impressive when he went to Alabama.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 4:04 pm to Powerman
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This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 9/21/16 at 4:07 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:Saban has always been underrated as far as calling WTF plays.
This is to be contrasted with Miles (at least back in the "Mad Hatter" days) when he was always shooting from the hip and doing cowboy type of stuff
Anyone remember the fake punt pass thing he called against Texas? That shite was nuts
ETA: 4th and 23 on their own 15. 13 minutes left in the 1st quarter. Punter launches a pass
This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 4:11 pm
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