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The Offense Hasn't Been the Main Problem

Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:26 pm
Posted by RazorTiger30
Central Ark
Member since Sep 2013
422 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:26 pm
Everyone on here keeps mentioning the fact that if Harris hits the short, intermediate passes we'll be fine. I agree with this to some degree but...If you think back to 2011 our offense was abysmal. The fact that our defense and special teams were so good masked our offensive short comings. These past few years we have lost games that in the past we would have won because the defense didn't let the opposing team hang 30 on us. Our new DC will be the reason if we make it or break it this year. Also if we pooch kick it against Wisconsin because the first kick goes out of bounds I'm going to loose it.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56690 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:28 pm to
quote:

Everyone on here keeps mentioning the fact that if Harris hits the short, intermediate passes we'll be fine. I agree with this to some degree but...If you think back to 2011 our offense was abysmal. The fact that our defense and special teams were so good masked our offensive short comings. These past few years we have lost games that in the past we would have won because the defense didn't let the opposing team hang 30 on us. Our new DC will be the reason if we make it or break it this year. Also if we pooch kick it against Wisconsin because the first kick goes out of bounds I'm going to loose it.



So, the below average offense isn't the problem...it's the fact that the defense hasn't been elite?
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25248 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:29 pm to
That's like saying, "the fact that he had both legs cut off and was bleeding to death didn't kill him, it was the cerebral hemorrhage." They'll both kill you.

Also, most of 2011, the offense was a juggernaut.
Posted by massiveattack
CharLIT/Chapel Chill
Member since Oct 2010
11555 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:34 pm to
Count how many games it has been since LSU scored 20 points against Alabama and tell me offense isn't the problem.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70944 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:35 pm to
So you're just conceding that LSU will always be dreadful in the passing game?
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
66224 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:46 pm to
quote:

.If you think back to 2011 our offense was abysmal.


And how did that work out for us in the championship game?
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:50 pm to
quote:

RazorTiger30
quote:

Everyone on here keeps mentioning the fact that if Harris hits the short, intermediate passes we'll be fine. I agree with this to some degree but...If you think back to 2011 our offense was abysmal. The fact that our defense and special teams were so good masked our offensive short comings. These past few years we have lost games that in the past we would have won because the defense didn't let the opposing team hang 30 on us. Our new DC will be the reason if we make it or break it this year. Also if we pooch kick it against Wisconsin because the first kick goes out of bounds I'm going to loose it.



This is a poorly thought out take and I disagree with it.

When you call third down pass plays on your own side of the field versus Alabama-one of which is backed up inside of your own 10 yard line-with only a SINGLE RECEIVER in the route, you're absolutely setting yourself up for failure. There's no argument for the sensibility of that type of playcall in that situation.

In light of an inconsistent punter, even more inconsistent punt coverage, and a defense that was in transition with a new coordinator for the first time in 7 years both coaching wise and in terms of running more 30 front and running zone schemes in the Secondary, it's foolish bordering on STUPID to not be more aggressive when you do call passing plays on your own end of the field when you know that:

A.) ST won't flip the field for you
B.) DEF isn't as great as in year's past as its in transition.

Miles and Cameron did this not only once...but TWICE on 3rd downs inside of our own territory, and in one case backed up. WTF does this?

Say what you want about the defense-and admittedly t here were issues-but the playcalling, scheme and execution is ridiculous on offense and has been for years.

Oh and don't even talk about Arkansas. TO's on offense and a crazy scheme to not run LF7 early put us in a huge hole where we had to stay in shotgun no-huddle most of the d@mn game.

Just idiotic decision-making, poor execution, and foolish if not stupid playcalling in light of the context of what we have as a program last year in critical games that were squarely on the offense, its coordinator and Head Coach.
Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
38247 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:50 pm to
Both need to be better. There's more hope for the defense improving than the offense though
Posted by airfernando
Member since Oct 2015
15248 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:57 pm to
quote:

if we pooch kick it against Wisconsin because the first kick goes out of bounds I'm going to loose it.
you've already lost it. Did you forget thinking this:
quote:

The Offense Hasn't Been the Main Problem
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56501 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:59 pm to
So as long as we have a top 2 defense in the country we can suck offensively

Well, when you say it like that it all makes sense
Posted by geauxtigahs87
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2008
26267 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:03 pm to
The 2011 offense was not abysmal

Our redzone offense was insanely good that year actually
Posted by bruce2129
Lewisville TX
Member since Oct 2012
475 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:05 pm to
defense has been a problem since 2011. can't stop run in big games. special teams haven't been special, just average. trey quinn dropped too many passes in key situations.
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10096 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:06 pm to
quote:

If you think back to 2011 our offense was abysmal.
LOL they caused most opponents to quit in 4th qtr.
2011 was very good in RZ and top 5 in scoring O alltime at LSU.
Finishing 17th nationally scoring isn't a terrible rank for a ball control offense with all the midmajors using spread/HUNH vs suspect Ds these days.
quote:

The fact that our defense and special teams were so good masked our offensive short comings.
It caused ypg to be low, but there weren't really any offensive shortcomings outside of playing #1 D twice and #5 D.

I'll agreee the defense has been subpar and played a part in 2 Ls last year.
This post was edited on 7/5/16 at 2:16 pm
Posted by El Campo Tiger
El Campo, TX
Member since Mar 2015
10118 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:06 pm to
Our offense would be great if we had a decent quarterback.

Posted by CalTiger53
California
Member since Oct 2011
9045 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:07 pm to
What is wrong with being good at all three?
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39668 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:10 pm to
OP, you are dead right in everything you wrote except for "loose". The word is "lose".

Both the offense and defense were good, but not great, last year. That's why we had a good, but not great, year. If our offense could throw the ball that would have been a great offense. And if our defense had been stout enough to stop any team's running game that would have been a great defense.

I also think the defense will be very stout against the run this year. They finally have the talent and depth that they haven't had since 2012.

LSU's style of play is to rely on defense and the running game. The running game was there, but the defense was spotty.

The truth is that in college you don't have enough time to practice to be good at everything. That is, unless you're Saban. But he probably bends the crap out of the rules and practices more than the rules allow. LSU chooses to practice the run game over the passing game. I don't think that changes a lot, but I think they will emphasize the pass more now that they have an experienced, talented QB.
Posted by Zipfer2022
Member since Nov 2011
3736 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:39 pm to
You need to look up LSUs passing ypg national ranking during miles tenure.
Posted by lsufan31
MS
Member since Mar 2013
2179 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:47 pm to
I agree to a certain point. I believe the defense, offense, and special teams all share equal blame in our lack of success in the last few years. Cant defend the run against power run teams, cant pass (with any consistency) against a stiff run defense, and kick coverage has been terrible at times. LSU hasn't had a "total package" on the field in a while.
This post was edited on 7/5/16 at 2:49 pm
Posted by Chimlim
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2005
17715 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:49 pm to
You have the right idea. The offensive scheme is built around a dominating defense. However, if the defense is anything but dominant, the offense is typically unable to pick up the slack. We can't generate a passing game, we have issues playing from behind, we are too predictable, and special teams has become a major issue. While you are correct that the offense is designed with a dominant defense in mind, the overall ineptness of the offense, especially the passing game, is inexcusable. Our saving grace has been #7.
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
13734 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:56 pm to
quote:

If you think back to 2011 our offense was abysmal. The fact that our defense and special teams were so good masked our offensive short comings.


The offense was not abysmal in 2011 outside of the 2 games against Bama and the first half in the SEC championship game. That offense was a perfect fit for the defense and the special teams they had that season. They ran it great, didn't turn the ball over, and had 2 quarterbacks that made plays when needed to a couple times a game. Did they benefit from the defense and special teams? Of course but their is something to be said about having an above 70 percent touchdown rate in the red zone. When they had scoring opportunities they took advantage of it.
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