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re: Melancon opposes move to give Louisiana authority over red snapper
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:13 am to redfieldk717
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:13 am to redfieldk717
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I caught 11 nice red snapper out of Venice on Friday, only able to keep 2. The other 3 guys on the boat with me caught just as many, only able to keep 2 a man.
Were the other ones undersized or were y'all just catching for sport? Hopefully, y'all didn't send 36 snapper floating. Either way snapper regs suck, we can all agree on that.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:17 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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plain english, explain what management techniques beyond catch rates the federal government is currently paying for to manage the stock, and explain why five gulf states would not be capable of assuming financially responsibility for them.
You need harvest rates, fishing effort, age/sex/length comps, and some independent relative indices of abundance outside of what you collect from the fisheries (commercial, recreational, charter).
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:21 am to gaetti15
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You need harvest rates, fishing effort, age/sex/length comps, and some independent relative indices of abundance outside of what you collect from the fisheries (commercial, recreational, charter).
Honestly asking, is this something that is being provided by the Federal government currently?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:24 am to Whatafrekinchessiebr
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is this something that is being provided by the Federal government currently?
Harvest and effort is from the recreational survey funded from license fee increases while the other stuff is a combination of federal and state, bust mostly federal.
Problem is if the states manages the stock then you are left filling the void in data the feds collect which is a large part of the red snapper stock assessment. They do extensive offshore sampling.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:25 am to gaetti15
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You need harvest rates, fishing effort, age/sex/length comps, and some independent relative indices of abundance outside of what you collect from the fisheries (commercial, recreational, charter).
For the third time, how much is the federal government currently spending on these things?
You're the one claiming to know that the dollar amount is simply too big for five gulf states to handle, yet neither you nor Melancon will give even a ballpark figure on it.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:30 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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You're the one claiming to know that the dollar amount is simply too big for five gulf states to handle, yet neither you nor Melancon will give even a ballpark figure on it.
I've never seen a detailed budget for how Graves wants this management switch to occur. So who knows,according the article it says that Melancon doesn't even know the unknown amount of fiscal burden placed on the state.
So your guess is as good as mine
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My argument was simply that license fee increases are used for just one part of a multitude of different projects used to collect data used in stock assessments.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 11:38 am
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:39 am to mylsuhat
Congress passes plenty of bills that are opposed by the state bureaucrats who have to enforce or administer them. He may be putting this out there to pressure Congress to include some $$$ for LDWF in the final bill if it passes. He knows how to play this game and work the system. He is a politician. Don't take what he says at face value. There is a reason why he is opposing this we just don't know why
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:42 am to Manchac Man
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Were the other ones undersized or were y'all just catching for sport? Hopefully, y'all didn't send 36 snapper floating.
Honestly, they are so abundant, that you catch 8 for 1 of every other non-shark species that you catch. Sorry, but I'm not going to stop targeting mangroves, groupers, cobia, etc. because I hit my red snapper quota. Thus, a lot end up floating. I also wouldn't need to focus so much time on other reef fish if I could actually use those floaters to fill the box enough to justify the gas burned.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:43 am to gaetti15
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They do extensive offshore sampling.
While avoiding reefs and rigs....
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:51 am to Jester
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While avoiding reefs and rigs....
Oh yeah
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That's starts a completely different conversation haha
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:03 pm to gaetti15
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That's starts a completely different conversation haha
It really isn't. You are claiming that the feds are the only ones who can do this research. We are saying the research the fed's are doing is bullshite and does not reflect an accurate picture of harvest rates, efforts, and abundance.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:06 pm to mylsuhat
The states should have authority over this and not the feds
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:09 pm to Whatafrekinchessiebr
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You are claiming that the feds are the only ones who can do this research.
How are we going to fund all this research if the state is managing?
If we get rid of federal monies how does the state come up with those funds?
License fee was used for one component of the total research, so what kind of money do we need to produce to collect the same amount of data (not the quality which is what the offshore sampling question was referring to)
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:11 pm to Jester
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Honestly, they are so abundant, that you catch 8 for 1 of every other non-shark species that you catch. Sorry, but I'm not going to stop targeting mangroves, groupers, cobia, etc. because I hit my red snapper quota.
This is such a pain in the arse, especially over sunken rigs. Pull up and catch 2 mangrove free lining then it's a swarm of red snapper at 20 ft. They put the limit at 2 and 9 days of fishing then wonder why people are throwing away perfectly good 16-20 inch fish to try and catch larger ones.
Give me a 4 fish limit with a slot being able to only keep one over a certain inch mark like bull reds and I can promise you I would keep my first 4 over 16" to hit the boat for every person in the boat and move on about my business.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:11 pm to voros79
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Don't take what he says at face value. There is a reason why he is opposing this we just don't know why
Not quite. I may be off on the details but CCA got the license increase passed in 2014 to fund programs. So every time you bought a license you bought under the assumption that the fees were going back into the program from which you paid for the license. They know that nobody is going to vote for anymore taxes but they need the money to keep bloated state agencies afloat so they are tapping these funds for fill the gaps.
A fee is no longer a fee when it goes someplace other than where it was intended. At the point in time where it moved away from it intended purpose, it becomes a tax.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:22 pm to Barf
But Gaetti .... by avoiding rigs and reefs means the NMFS sampling for fisheries independent data off the western GOM is worthless ...
RS don't live on the mud bottoms west of the Miss R and if that is what NMFS is sampling they are confirming there are no or few RS over mud.
RS don't live on the mud bottoms west of the Miss R and if that is what NMFS is sampling they are confirming there are no or few RS over mud.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:29 pm to gaetti15
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How are we going to fund all this research if the state is managing?
How can I answer that if, as you said yourself, nobody knows how much it is going to cost.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:32 pm to Jester
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Sorry, but I'm not going to stop targeting mangroves, groupers, cobia, etc. because I hit my red snapper quota.
By all means keep fishing for other species. Personally, I can't stand to see them floating. Maybe bring some zip locks on the boat......and those new handy soft ice chest. Just saying...
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:41 pm to Whatafrekinchessiebr
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How can I answer that if, as you said yourself, nobody knows how much it is going to cost.
Exactly lol.
When I read the article that's what appeared to be a major reason for opposing it.
Because nobody has apparently sat down and thought about the budget it would take to fully assume management authority.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:52 pm to gaetti15
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When I read the article that's what appeared to be a major reason for opposing it.
Because nobody has apparently sat down and thought about the budget it would take to fully assume management authority.
I'm trying to read between the lines as best as I can but you seem to be aware that shite is about go hit the proverbial fan at LWLF.
Got any ides on who's going to be the first to go to prison?
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