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re: Phil Jackson: "LeBron needs to takeover like Michael did"
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:59 am to genro
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:59 am to genro
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Well for example Rasheed Wallace's confrontational personality led to a record number of technicals and measurably hurt his team.
on the same token, rasheed wallace was the missing piece on a title team and became their emotional leader on the court
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You think in your profession someone who wilts under pressure due to weak personality makes no difference versus someone who thrives under pressure?
i think you're using a very malleable definition of "personality" and this question shows it
that's the problem with using subjective, esoteric concepts. as long as you keep them vague enough, you can make any argument for any player
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:59 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:exceptions prove rules.
but even teams with major issues of chemistry have won (see: the lakers of the 2000s)
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:59 am to genuineLSUtiger
quote:Come join us, any time you're ready.
He will never be the great Michael Jordan. Lebron and his fanboys just need to go ahead and accept that
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:00 pm to RonBurgundy
I kind feel like LeBron did that last year in the finals. He put up great numbers but the rest of the team was flat. What is he supposed to score 70+ points over these next 4-5 games? The rest of the cavs need to pull their weight.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Personality is not a vague or esoteric concept. The only "problem" is that it allows committed statheads to avoid conversations they don't want to have
that's the problem with using subjective, esoteric concepts. as long as you keep them vague enough, you can make any argument for any player
quote:this doesn't exist, doesn't matter, is subjective and vague
became their emotional leader on the court
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
Maybe LeBron shouldn't have annointed himself the Chosen One?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:04 pm to genro
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Personality is not a vague or esoteric concept.
it's not exactly a static field with objective analysis
plus, you're using a very general concept "personality" without getting into the nuts and bolts. what personality traits/disorders work and in combination with which others? what data do you have to back up that assertion?
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The only "problem" is that it allows committed statheads to avoid conversations they don't want to have
i think the inverse applies, Mr. Wilbon
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:04 pm to The Human Fetus
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Maybe LeBron shouldn't have annointed himself the Chosen One?
a. he didn't
b. why the hell not? Lebron is THE example of how to be a prodigy in modern American sports. we may never see this again
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:05 pm to shel311
He is and always will be compared to Jordan, fair or not. It is what it is. Kobe was, Bron is and Steph is. It's the nature of the beast, especially when you self anoint yourself the Chosen One, King James, wear 23 and sign with Nike straight out of HS. He welcomed it.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Nor are sports. Sports are more than math and the proof is in the results.
it's not exactly a static field with objective analysis
As any scout or GM for any sport will tell you, there is a very real unquantifiable "personality" factor in an individual athlete's sports performance.
quote:I'm not performing a scientific experiment for publish in peer reviewed journals. I'm discussing sports.
what personality traits/disorders work and in combination with which others? what data do you have to back up that assertion?
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:07 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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He will never be the great Michael Jordan. Lebron and his fanboys just need to go ahead and accept that and simply appreciate Lebron for what skills he does have.
His detractors seem to have the most trouble with this part.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:08 pm to genro
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Nor are sports.
what?
maybe if you're talking about figure skating of gymnastics
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Sports are more than math and the proof is in the results.
i don't think you understand the irony of this statement
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I'm not performing a scientific experiment for publish in peer reviewed journals. I'm discussing sports.
so you don't even know what you're adding to the conversation?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I know what you're trying to eliminate in the conversation.
so you don't even know what you're adding to the conversation?
Hint: it's what you implied doesn't matter, it answers your what? question and it's the part of my previous post you ignored.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:12 pm to genro
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I'm not performing a scientific experiment for publish in peer reviewed journals. I'm discussing sports.
Yeah, I hate to go all Mike Wilbon, but the MSB has somewhat turned into PER/VORP regurgitation on every issue. Buckeyevol went nuts with the maths at the implication that the Cavs might be slightly better defensively with Wiggins than Love. I didn't really care because it supports the argument that they should have made the Love deal, anyway.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:13 pm to genro
no i'm just trying to get an operative definition of what you're talking about exactly and how it fits in the larger picture
you're essentially arguing "i don't know what [concept] is exactly and i certainly don't know how [concept] works in a team context, but it's very important for [sport]"
you're essentially arguing "i don't know what [concept] is exactly and i certainly don't know how [concept] works in a team context, but it's very important for [sport]"
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he is the GOAT but we measure everyone against MJ instead of an overview/objective look
I think a lot of that is because the media, and everyone else is so quick to try an crown the next GOAT. Hell, they were crowning Lebron when he was in high school.
MJ didn't have to deal with all of that. He had the talent, drive, and had to earn his status as the greatest. People just want to give Lebron that.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:14 pm to Bunk Moreland
He's now to the point of saying that sports are only about the stats and scores, and any individual factor that leads to the stats and scores DO NOT EXIST.
Athletes are robots
Athletes are robots
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:16 pm to RonBurgundy
To bad he can't. Probably because he's not Michael jordan.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:17 pm to Kracka
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I think a lot of that is because the media, and everyone else is so quick to try an crown the next GOAT.
that's a fair point
LBJ has gotten the closest and "old media" has put in work to keep the debate alive and shite all over LBJ in the process
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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"Michael Jordan" is a mythology at this point and we measure everyone against him due to his perfect timing with the explosion of the popularity of the NBA and MJ being the most marketable face during that expansion. he is the GOAT but we measure everyone against MJ instead of an overview/objective look
it makes any comparison pointless b/c nobody can ever be "Michael Jordan" again (as it's one person with one story and one narrative that already happened)
Truth
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