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re: There are bad days and terrible days; 2 year old dead after being left in a car

Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:20 pm to
Posted by Lokistale
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:20 pm to
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Now, forgetting not only to take a kid to daycare but not seeing the child in your mirror on the way to work, getting out of the vehicle and not remembering all day long is thinkable?

Im calling bullshite on this story. The penalty for not realizing this until too late is too severe


Yeah... I too found it odd that the mom did not notice her dead child until she got to the daycare...

A child that dies in a hot car is not pretty... she likely threw up several times... once her purged her stomach content, she began to throw-up bile, and blood from her stomach lining...

The heat stress will likely cause profused diarrhea and urination...

All that contained in a hot SUV would smelled worse than raw sewerage by the end of the day... and the mother didn't notice?
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 12:21 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263330 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:20 pm to
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Falling happens in seconds, sitting at work for 8 hours while the kid is dying of heat stroke is different.


Correct.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85489 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:22 pm to
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What happened here reeks of bullshite.


As I said earlier, as a parent I hope you're right. When something like this happens and it truly is an accident it is even more terrifying IMO.

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Not only because she forgot to stop at daycare, but she went through the entire day


If, and that is a big if, it was truly an accident, it isn't better or worse because she sat at work the entire day. If in her mind she dropped her kid off at daycare, why would she think otherwise at work? I don't run back to my car after two hours just to double check and make sure my kids have been dropped off.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30868 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:23 pm to
there really should be parenting requirements
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263330 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:23 pm to
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All that contained in a hot SUV would smelled worse than raw sewerage by the end of the day... and the mother didn't notice


Right. There is no way she could avoid seeing or even thinking about this all day long
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263330 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:25 pm to
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If, and that is a big if, it was truly an accident, it isn't better or worse because she sat at work the entire day. If in her mind she dropped her kid off at daycare, why would she think otherwise at work?


If you cant remember something that simple, you would need some serious medical attention
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85489 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:27 pm to
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Falling happens in seconds, sitting at work for 8 hours while the kid is dying of heat stroke is different.


Forgetting to drop your kid off is also a momentary lapse. There weren't multiple checks in place to make sure it happened and she ignored all of them. If this was truly an accident, then in her mind she dropped off the child and that was that. There wouldn't be any reason to think otherwise or go check in the car if it was an accident.

Again, I understand the cynicism from others, because this isn't exactly an easy situation in which to find yourself, but that doesn't mean it is impossible for it to truly be an accident.
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
8757 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:30 pm to
I'm surprised this same old shite is at only 9 pages.

This type of thing can happen easily. It's sad. Not criminal. Just fricking sad.

Routine is very powerful.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85489 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:30 pm to
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If you cant remember something that simple, you would need some serious medical attention


I don't think it works that way though. If she made it to work and everything is back on track in her subconscious, there wouldn't be any reason to backtrack or check herself.

Posted by Boudreaux35
BR
Member since Sep 2007
21678 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:30 pm to
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An accident is an accident. If it truly was an accident, there's no need to prosecute.


Right, but I wonder if info will come out that there was a "reason" she forgot her child.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263330 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:30 pm to
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Forgetting to drop your kid off is also a momentary lapse.


That lasts all day? How did she not notice when she got in the car? You realize what that poor kid did before dying?
Posted by iluvdatiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2004
42834 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:30 pm to
My, My! So many perfect, flawless people in this thread!
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
8757 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:32 pm to
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I don't think it works that way though. If she made it to work and everything is back on track in her subconscious, there wouldn't be any reason to backtrack or check herself.


Of course. I don't sit in my office trying to remember if my kids got on the bus. This is tragic. The end. I don't see why we feel the need to vilify.
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
8757 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:33 pm to
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You realize what that poor kid did before dying?


And this has what to do with anything other than your self righteous need for vengeance?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85489 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:34 pm to
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How did she not notice when she got in the car? You realize what that poor kid did before dying?


I can't answer that, but even if she would have noticed immediately and called 911 when she got in the car, I don't think she'd get a break from some of you. I'm only arguing that I believe it is possible to truly forget to drop your kid off while still thinking that you did.

The death of innocent children by any means is absolutely gut wrenching to me, especially since my kids were born, so I completely understand the quest for answers and the desire for consequences aimed at those in charge, but sometimes accidents happen.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:30 pm to
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Hopefully that "errand" receives a little more thought than taking a shite or paying the light bill.



Everyone naturally tries to conceptualize this happening to them and that they are above the level of screwing up like these parents have. The problem with that is almost every time it occurs, there's a series of events that lead up to forgetting the child in the car.

To use your light bill example. It isn't as simple as you just forgetting to pay it. It's that you believe it was paid because your spouse had it setup on autodraft, but y'all recently changed banks and didn't setup the new checking account. Since you have it on e-bill, the utility company sent you reminders about the non-payment. But the reminders went to the newly established "Clutter" feature on your Outlook that was automatically setup because you upgraded to Office 16. You also didn't balance the account for last month because the time you set aside to do that, you got a call that your mom was in a car accident and you needed to go pick her up.

Malcom Gladwell discusses this in one of his books as the "swiss cheese effect". 99% of the time if you stack 15 slices of swiss cheese on top of each other, you can't see through to the table at any point. But 1% of the time you'll have it to where the multiple slices all match up. Despite all your attempts to be proactive and attention to detail, you can still fail.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31469 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:41 pm to
Didn't read the whole thread, but I see a number of people saying "routines are powerful". Well if that's true, then she would have driven to the day care, not straight to work.

I had a lapse the other day, I was out at my Clients offices, and walked out with my lunch...right past the cashiers, because I was hurrying to catch up with my clients to meet up with them.

I didn't realize it until I had gotten almost all the way back upstairs. But I did realize it. It was a very small insignificant thing, but it didn't take me long to notice that I didn't do something I normally do.

And this was about $8 worth of food, not my effing kid...and I realized it within two minutes. (I did go back and pay)

I'm not claiming it was intentional, but not seeing the kid in the back seat while driving or getting into and out of the car, or realizing "hey, I never went to the day care", etc is all just very odd bordering on improbable.

I'd be curious to know if the day care called her at any point to say "hey, is your kid coming in today?" If a call like that was placed and/or missed, that ups the suspicion factor 10 fold.
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 1:42 pm
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31469 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:44 pm to
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To use your light bill example. It isn't as simple as you just forgetting to pay it. It's that you believe it was paid because your spouse had it setup on autodraft, but y'all recently changed banks and didn't setup the new checking account. Since you have it on e-bill, the utility company sent you reminders about the non-payment. But the reminders went to the newly established "Clutter" feature on your Outlook that was automatically setup because you upgraded to Office 16. You also didn't balance the account for last month because the time you set aside to do that, you got a call that your mom was in a car accident and you needed to go pick her up.


Not at all the same. To make it a BIT more relevant, you would need to get the bill ready to go in the morning. Take the bill to your car, tape the bill to the back window, potentially listen to or talk to the bill during your drive, and have that bill be the most important bill you've ever received in your life. A bill that you've focused on and taken care of for two years and taken to the payment place dozens of times. And then you suddenly "realize" 8 hours later that you didn't take the bill where you were supposed to.
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 1:46 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263330 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:44 pm to
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I can't answer that, but even if she would have noticed immediately and called 911 when she got in the car, I don't think she'd get a break from some of you
her story would be much more believable at that point
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:54 pm to
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Didn't read the whole thread, but I see a number of people saying "routines are powerful". Well if that's true, then she would have driven to the day care, not straight to work.

I had a lapse the other day, I was out at my Clients offices, and walked out with my lunch...right past the cashiers, because I was hurrying to catch up with my clients to meet up with them.

I didn't realize it until I had gotten almost all the way back upstairs. But I did realize it. It was a very small insignificant thing, but it didn't take me long to notice that I didn't do something I normally do.



Again. That's what happens nearly every time. You realize just shortly after what you did wrong. In your example its when you catch up to meet with your clients, and in the walk there your boss stops you and asks a multitude of questions related to a project that's going to make or break your performance for the quarter.
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