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F1 cars are more efficient than electric cars
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:18 am
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:18 am
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Thanks to efficiency gains made under the current set of engine regulations, Lewis Hamilton's Mercedes W07 Hybrid is more energy efficient than the average electric road car.
News last week that Tesla has received more than 276,000 pre-orders for its new family-sized electric car, underlines the shift in thinking in the automotive industry towards electric vehicles. Yet in a county like the U.S.A. where at least 66 percent of electricity comes from coal- and oil-fired energy stations, with just 13 percent coming from renewables, an F1 car is arguably greener.
The thermal efficiency of Mercedes' class-leading hybrid F1 engine has now exceeded 45 percent, with 50 percent thermal efficiency a very real target in the next couple of seasons. By contrast, coal and oil power stations achieve thermal efficiency of around 33 percent, meaning the power used to drive an electric car is likely to be coming from a less efficient source than an F1 engine.
Mercedes technical director Paddy Lowe believes F1 technology could offer a more efficient future for the automotive industry, but says the message is not being spread widely enough.
"Electric cars are seen as green and the solution to all carbon emissions, but they are absolutely not," Lowe told ESPN. "It all depends where you get the electricity from and in a typical country with a regular profile of electricity generation, a Formula One car is massively more efficient than any electric car being charged from a power plant which is burning hydrocarbons. It is incredible that we've done that, but nobody is really talking about it that much."
The beauty of F1's drive for efficiency is that it is the only way to gain more performance. By limiting the amount of fuel and its flow rate to the engine, the only way to have a more powerful engine is by making better use of the fuel available.
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Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:19 am to Street Hawk
Not surprising considering how much faster they go.;
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:22 am to LNCHBOX
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Tesla
People alway forget about the energy source and the transmission losses.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 11:24 am
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:23 am to Street Hawk
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Lewis Hamilton
Fast, fast man.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:23 am to Street Hawk
Are they referring to absolute efficiency with regard to entropy, or relative efficiency with regard to max theoretical efficiency.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:23 am to Street Hawk
Well, this is what happens when you have insane P/W ratios and things like air conditioning, adjustable seats, electric windows, etc are absent.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:23 am to Street Hawk
What are the price points between the 2 cars?
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:24 am to Street Hawk
Its also about emissions. There aren't any catalytic converters on F1 cars
I'm not entirely sure if that would mess with thermal efficiency but its sure gonna restrict air flow. Its been a while since i took IC engines
I'm not entirely sure if that would mess with thermal efficiency but its sure gonna restrict air flow. Its been a while since i took IC engines
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 11:24 am
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:26 am to WhoDat937
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What are the price points between the 2 cars?
Model 3 will start at 35k.
F1 car will probably set you back about 7.2 million in parts and labor. Looking at 9 figures if you want to develop your own from the ground up.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:27 am to Street Hawk
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Lewis Hamilton
Possibly the world's most famous athlete that no one in America knows about
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 11:28 am
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:27 am to Street Hawk
But if you refuel with nuclear, or a wind/sun generated source, which is better?
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:27 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Model 3 will start at 35k.
F1 car will probably set you back about 7.2 million in parts and labor. Looking at 9 figures if you want to develop your own from the ground up.
That is what I was thinking. Put it in an affordable car then compare the efficiency.
If I'm spending over 100k on a vehicle, I'm not going electric. Never going to a gas station ever again would make me pretty happy as a city driver.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 11:28 am
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:29 am to snake23
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Possibly the world's most famous athlete that no one in America knows about
I was lucky to really jump into F1 in Lewis's rookie year. It's been a fun ride watching him.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:31 am to snake23
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Possibly the world's most famous athlete that no one in America knows about
He was hanging out with the Kardashians over the off season. I'm sure plenty of insta-followers now Know.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:31 am to Street Hawk
I wonder how the F1's stack up to the i8, P1, 918, and LaFerrari. I believe they share some technology.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:33 am to upgrayedd
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Well, this is what happens when you have insane P/W ratios and things like air conditioning, adjustable seats, electric windows, etc are absent.
That and aerodynamics.
I think we need to lift some restrictions on the window tint laws. It helps with keeping the vehicle cooler and in turn uses less a/c.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 11:35 am
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:34 am to upgrayedd
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I wonder how the F1's stack up to the i8, P1, 918, and LaFerrari. I believe they share some technology.
Stack up in what way?
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:34 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
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That and aerodynamics.
True
That's probably 90% of it.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:35 am to JohnnyKilroy
following him on snapchat is awesome. Crazy to see all the money they put into F1
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