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Spinoff: Was Pelelieu the Biggest Waste of a Campaign in WWII?
Posted on 3/16/16 at 10:24 am
Posted on 3/16/16 at 10:24 am
I say yes. Although I'm only using hindsight seeing as I wasn't a higher echelon officer in the Pacific Theater in those days. Or even alive.
We seized it for its airfield and to shore up our right flank in the Pacific. The airfield was rarely (if ever) used. While Anguar was almost exclusively used. And the fleet never anchored there. Instead it anchored at Ulithi.
Not to mention how many lives MG Rupertus threw away only doing the pre-invasion bombardment for 3 days instead of two weeks like he should've.
Huge waste of a campaign in my opinion.
We seized it for its airfield and to shore up our right flank in the Pacific. The airfield was rarely (if ever) used. While Anguar was almost exclusively used. And the fleet never anchored there. Instead it anchored at Ulithi.
Not to mention how many lives MG Rupertus threw away only doing the pre-invasion bombardment for 3 days instead of two weeks like he should've.
Huge waste of a campaign in my opinion.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 10:25 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Is Spinoff: needed in the title?
Posted on 3/16/16 at 10:33 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Biggest Waste of a Campaign in WWII?
Operation Market Garden says hi
Posted on 3/16/16 at 10:36 am to TigerFanInSouthland
It has been a while since I read Flags of our Fathers but I seem to recall them talking about Pelelieu quite a bit, or maybe I am thinking of a different text?
Posted on 3/16/16 at 10:36 am to TigerFanInSouthland
They completely missed the amount of force that was required to take that shithole. Pride got the best of them andits debatable whether it was needed but they didnt want to appear weak not only to the Japanese but back home. Strategically it was questionable from the jump but I guess they felt resistance would be lighter and not so entrenched
This post was edited on 3/16/16 at 10:41 am
Posted on 3/16/16 at 10:51 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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I'm only using hindsight
Yes. Yes you are. If only we could all know the future I'm sure we'd all do things much differently.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 10:55 am to TigerFanInSouthland
One of my favorite anecdotes of the Pacific theater:
quote:
During late October the Marines were relieved by soldiers of the Army’s 81st Infantry Division. Higgins boats took the Marines to waiting Navy ships. As the Marines struggled up the cargo nets and onto the decks of the ships they were stunned to see Navy officers scrubbed, clean shaven, and starched. One of the ship’s officers asked, “Got any souvenirs to trade?” A Marine stood silent for a moment, then reached down and patted his own rear end. “I brought my arse out of there swabie. That’s my souvenir of Peleliu.”
Posted on 3/16/16 at 10:57 am to TigerFanInSouthland
You are only looking at it from an offensive standpoint.
I too was not alive nor am I a military strategist, but by holding the area it prevented the enemy from having and utilizing it.
I too was not alive nor am I a military strategist, but by holding the area it prevented the enemy from having and utilizing it.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 11:06 am to TigerFanInSouthland
My dad flew the Marine version of a B-24 (a photographic version) to take pictures of Pelelieu before the invasion.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 11:12 am to TigerFanInSouthland
I would argue that Market Garden was a bigger waste.
We already had a way into Germany so why invade the Netherlands?
Plus the Allies failed to capture all the bridges
We already had a way into Germany so why invade the Netherlands?
Plus the Allies failed to capture all the bridges
Posted on 3/18/16 at 11:36 am to TigerFanInSouthland
In retrospect, the entire Italian campaign after the fall of Rome wasn't necessary. The thinking was we needed a southern front against the Alpine Redoubt, which we found out after the war didn't exist. It was a long, hard slog up the peninsula, and we only reached the German border as the Third Reich was collapsing anyway. I suppose we tied up a lot of German troops, but we could have done that with some feints and credible threats instead of hammering away at mountain fortifications for months.
The Ploesti Raid accomplished very little for the horrendous cost.
In the Pacific, we arguably would have been better of dispensing with the SW Pacific campaign and focusing exclusively on the Central Pacific. We didn't have enough ships and landing craft to do both at the same time, and had to alternate back and forth.
The Ploesti Raid accomplished very little for the horrendous cost.
In the Pacific, we arguably would have been better of dispensing with the SW Pacific campaign and focusing exclusively on the Central Pacific. We didn't have enough ships and landing craft to do both at the same time, and had to alternate back and forth.
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