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A Miles supporter, and positiger, throws in the towel
Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:30 am
Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:30 am
Why Miles' program is declining.
In my opinion there are two factors that characterize the LSU program now:
1) We recruit players based on early playing time due to poorly staffed position groups. For example, this cycle we're getting highly ranked dline and lbers because we don't return much. This guarantees we are getting players who are running from competition, i.e. Lower character guys.
2) Les is a players' coach, who doesn't discipline much. Many on here decry Saban's yelling at players, but this holding accountable builds mental toughness.
These two factors have resulted in a team that is soft - one that quits in tough situations. The lack of discipline also results in extremely high numbers of penalties and - I suspect - missed assignments.
If LSU gets a coach who is a strong disciplinarian, look for a gigantic exodus of pampered players and a Texas-like meltdown over the next couple of years.
On the other hand, a guy like Jimbo Fisher could be a happy medium who could bring an acceptable level of discipline without breaking the core of the team.
I was in Les' corner until this year's Bama loss. We didn't even belong on the same field as Bama. And it wasn't due to play calling strategy. Hell, every time Bama kicked off they annihilated our kick returners a la Jarvis Landry. That's due to hustle and spirit, not coaching.
This team is sick emotionally. Every recent year has ended that way. This year it just happened sooner and more dramatically.
Les is a great guy, but let's end this talk that he "deserves" better. As others have pointed out, he has never showed loyalty to LSU. On several occassions he used other schools as leverage to increase his earnings. I had no problem with that, nor do I feel LSU owes him any exceptional consideration.
Thanks for your service, Les. Now let's get on with the business of restoring LSU football to the top of the SEC and the nation!![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/Icongeauxtigers.png)
In my opinion there are two factors that characterize the LSU program now:
1) We recruit players based on early playing time due to poorly staffed position groups. For example, this cycle we're getting highly ranked dline and lbers because we don't return much. This guarantees we are getting players who are running from competition, i.e. Lower character guys.
2) Les is a players' coach, who doesn't discipline much. Many on here decry Saban's yelling at players, but this holding accountable builds mental toughness.
These two factors have resulted in a team that is soft - one that quits in tough situations. The lack of discipline also results in extremely high numbers of penalties and - I suspect - missed assignments.
If LSU gets a coach who is a strong disciplinarian, look for a gigantic exodus of pampered players and a Texas-like meltdown over the next couple of years.
On the other hand, a guy like Jimbo Fisher could be a happy medium who could bring an acceptable level of discipline without breaking the core of the team.
I was in Les' corner until this year's Bama loss. We didn't even belong on the same field as Bama. And it wasn't due to play calling strategy. Hell, every time Bama kicked off they annihilated our kick returners a la Jarvis Landry. That's due to hustle and spirit, not coaching.
This team is sick emotionally. Every recent year has ended that way. This year it just happened sooner and more dramatically.
Les is a great guy, but let's end this talk that he "deserves" better. As others have pointed out, he has never showed loyalty to LSU. On several occassions he used other schools as leverage to increase his earnings. I had no problem with that, nor do I feel LSU owes him any exceptional consideration.
Thanks for your service, Les. Now let's get on with the business of restoring LSU football to the top of the SEC and the nation!
![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/Icongeauxtigers.png)
Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:34 am to Penrod
Yep on all accounts. You left out his Qb recruitment philosophy, but otherwise your work is good.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:43 am to Penrod
Les's nepotism is a big factor.
Les hires his buddies because he's more comfortable with them.
Hell, I don't know if Les handcuffed Cameron. The point is, our offense is putrid, Cameron is in charge and Cameron was in Les's wedding.
He brought back his buddy Bradley Dale Peveto.
It's obvious Nick Saban can't stand Lane Kiffin personally. But he brought him in because he wants the best offensive coordinator, he's not concerned about being in a personal comfort zone surrounded by his buddies.
I think Les got to believing he was an institution around here who would never be fired, so he could get a little lazy, surround himself with buddies, and do what he wanted no matter the consequences on the field.
I think HE was happy with what some positigers are happy with--8 to 10 win seasons and beating Saban and bama didn't matter.
But make no mistake.
His nepotism was a big reason for the demise of Les Miles's coaching career at LSU.
Les hires his buddies because he's more comfortable with them.
Hell, I don't know if Les handcuffed Cameron. The point is, our offense is putrid, Cameron is in charge and Cameron was in Les's wedding.
He brought back his buddy Bradley Dale Peveto.
It's obvious Nick Saban can't stand Lane Kiffin personally. But he brought him in because he wants the best offensive coordinator, he's not concerned about being in a personal comfort zone surrounded by his buddies.
I think Les got to believing he was an institution around here who would never be fired, so he could get a little lazy, surround himself with buddies, and do what he wanted no matter the consequences on the field.
I think HE was happy with what some positigers are happy with--8 to 10 win seasons and beating Saban and bama didn't matter.
But make no mistake.
His nepotism was a big reason for the demise of Les Miles's coaching career at LSU.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:49 am to Penrod
Well said. A team takes on the personality of their coach. Saban is discipline, accountability and mental toughness. Miles is slow, unimaginative and error prone. Miles teams play that way. Missed assignments, mistakes, poor communication, bad play calling, lack of mid game adjustments and horrible clock management.
It truly is a miracle he won so many games, but it was also bad because he stayed too long...
It truly is a miracle he won so many games, but it was also bad because he stayed too long...
Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:50 am to Penrod
I tend to like someone in the middle of two extremes
Posted on 11/26/15 at 8:03 am to Penrod
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This team is sick emotionally.
Well, they quit really easily, for sure. Maybe you're onto something there.
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Every recent year has ended that way.
Just not true. We had a collapse last year, and it went through the bowl game - of course, we'd already dropped the first 2 SEC games and recovered somewhat, but lost 3 of the last 4.
2013 - lost a shootout @ UGA, and another game @ Oxford - both by 3 points, but we didn't lose a game after Bama, including the bowl.
Perception has always been Miles' Achilles heel - He talks funny and that allows people to make assumptions about him.
There are valid criticisms of Miles - his teams draw a lot of penalties. We have all kinds of crazy timeout and end of game time management SNAFUs. We have problems getting subs in and out - AND that ties into the first 2 problems causing us to use timeouts or get delay penalties.
But, the discipline doesn't quite ring true - academic results show that - what gets forgotten at times is our football graduation rate is second in the conference to Vanderbilt. That doesn't just "happen". Neither does recruiting or winning. Miles does these things as a matter of routine.
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On the other hand, a guy like Jimbo Fisher
Fair enough, and I like Jimbo. Do you recall how unpopular he was as OC here? What has changed?
And, if you like "a guy like Jimbo", what about "a guy like Jason Fuentes" or "a guy like Kliff Klingsbury" - because those are far more likely actual hires than the "deal is done" guys on here and the CC board.
Since I'm confident Miles is damaged through the snake-like actions of Alleva - I mean - how can he come back from this - I sure hope y'all are right and that Jimbo is the choice.
But, when you set yourself up like that, the fall could be perilous.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 8:07 am to Penrod
Miles sucks at QBs and passing schemes. It's that simple. Normally the rest of the team is good.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 8:11 am to Penrod
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Lower character guys
Careful
Posted on 11/26/15 at 8:23 am to Penrod
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This team is sick emotionally. Every recent year has ended that way. This year it just happened sooner and more dramatically.
Yes, the team realizes, just as it did for the 2012 NC game, that the game plan is not going to work.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 8:32 am to Penrod
We recruit FULLBACKS, for chrissake. That oughtta tell you something right there.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 8:44 am to Penrod
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I was in Les' corner until this year's Bama loss.
The Bama game pissed me off but the Arky game was the tipping point for me but even then I saw it coming. Agree with a lot you have said.
I don't necessarily agree about the character part but we have let LSU turn into a NFL turnstile with many coming to three and out...
Posted on 11/26/15 at 9:02 am to Penrod
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On the other hand, a guy like Jimbo Fisher could be a happy medium who could bring an acceptable level of discipline without breaking the core of the team.
The words Jimbo Fisher and disciplinarian don't belong in the same sentence. He let that thug Jameis Winston run the show in Tallahassee.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 9:21 am to Penrod
I always find these late, late epiphany threads insanely hilarious.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 9:25 am to Penrod
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Les is a players' coach, who doesn't discipline much. Many on here decry Saban's yelling at players, but this holding accountable builds mental toughness.
Correct, but it's a double edged sword. Les loves his players like a parent loves their child. It's this that brought him many top recruits. It's false that LSU recruits it's self.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 10:25 am to Penrod
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Les is a great guy, but let's end this talk that he "deserves" better. As others have pointed out, he has never showed loyalty to LSU. On several occassions he used other schools as leverage to increase his earnings. I had no problem with that, nor do I feel LSU owes him any exceptional consideration.
Les Miles received two raises in 11 years. After winning the sec and bcs title in 07, after winning the sec and having LSUs first 13-0 regular season.
He deserved them. Plus people claim Miles is an idiot and no one would hire him. So either LSU is foolish, or Les Miles is a very good coach and lots of schools want him.
Either way, it doesn't fit the bashers narrative. And if LSU gets Jimbo, they will be paying a lot more than what they were paying Miles.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 11:21 am to Penrod
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Jimbo Fisher could be a happy medium who could bring an acceptable level of discipline without breaking the core of the team.
Winston says Crab legs are guilty!
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Posted on 11/26/15 at 12:25 pm to Penrod
Assholes on this board overjoyed at the bama and ole miss losses. Only way they could be happier is with 8 or 10 losses to prove themselves right.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:12 pm to Penrod
Outstanding observation re: the discipline issue.
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