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re: Billy Cannon versus Leonard Fournette
Posted on 10/10/15 at 7:17 am to mpwilging
Posted on 10/10/15 at 7:17 am to mpwilging
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There are some absurd comments on this topic. When measuring size and speed alone, BC is an elite RB.
Today, a century ago, or 5 decades ago.
I'm sure those "several times of 9.5" timed by bubba with a pocket watch are entirely accurate. Even today the USATF states you should add .24s if you hand time an event.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 2:00 pm to easy money
quote:
How can you compare someone from 60 years ago to a guy today?
By creating a thread about it.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 2:21 pm to SPEEDY
If you want to laugh, go ahead, but Cannon's best times in the 100 yard dash compare favorably to Fournette's best 100 meter times. Facts can be pesky things. At the worst, Cannon and Fournette had similar speed.
And about this: "Yeah, Cannon was so fast, that on his Ole Piss punt return, the ref ran stride for stride with him down the sideline"
Although dressed like a ref, he was not a ref. Google it up when you get a chance, it's a heck of a story.
And about this: "Yeah, Cannon was so fast, that on his Ole Piss punt return, the ref ran stride for stride with him down the sideline"
Although dressed like a ref, he was not a ref. Google it up when you get a chance, it's a heck of a story.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 2:40 pm to Uncle Luke
yup, was about to post this.
cannon ran a sub 9.8 100 yd dash (i forget the exact hundreth number, 9.7-something), that's very comparable with fournette's 100m time of 10.65.
i don't think he's as good as fournette, bugga will be the goat when he leaves here, but cannon could have definitely played in today's game and excelled at it. he was also a bad arse linebacker.
he wasn't just fast in a straight line like most white guys, he had good agility, instincts, great footwork and raw-boned strength.
in a modern day s&c program he probably would've played around 230+lbs or more and could've played at 250+. he probably would've been faster if he trained like today's athletes, etc.
in college, cannon was 215lbs of comparatively untrained, natural bad arse. in the pros, he was all pro at two different positions (rb and te) and is arguably the greatest te of all time. led the afl in yardage, played in 6 afl championship games. i think he still owns the titans single game scoring record.
cannon is easily top 5. i would say he's 3rd. argument can be made for second since him and faulk are two different types of backs but faulk obviously played in a much more competitive era so i give faulk the tie breaker.
fournette
faulk
cannon
cannon ran a sub 9.8 100 yd dash (i forget the exact hundreth number, 9.7-something), that's very comparable with fournette's 100m time of 10.65.
i don't think he's as good as fournette, bugga will be the goat when he leaves here, but cannon could have definitely played in today's game and excelled at it. he was also a bad arse linebacker.
he wasn't just fast in a straight line like most white guys, he had good agility, instincts, great footwork and raw-boned strength.
in a modern day s&c program he probably would've played around 230+lbs or more and could've played at 250+. he probably would've been faster if he trained like today's athletes, etc.
in college, cannon was 215lbs of comparatively untrained, natural bad arse. in the pros, he was all pro at two different positions (rb and te) and is arguably the greatest te of all time. led the afl in yardage, played in 6 afl championship games. i think he still owns the titans single game scoring record.
cannon is easily top 5. i would say he's 3rd. argument can be made for second since him and faulk are two different types of backs but faulk obviously played in a much more competitive era so i give faulk the tie breaker.
fournette
faulk
cannon
This post was edited on 10/12/15 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 10/12/15 at 2:42 pm to harry coleman beast
quote:
LF will end up on top, but until then it's Faulk
what's crazy is Fournette has a great shot at surpassing Faulk's career numbers in 3 years
Posted on 10/12/15 at 2:46 pm to Tigahs
Billy Cannon played both ways at LSU. In high school he ran the 100 yard dash in under 10 seconds, and he was a champion in the shot put. He was a tremendous athlete. Anyone who says his ability is not up to today's standards does not know what he is talking about. He played in the NFL for years, though mostly as a tight end.
It is not possible to compare Cannon to Fournette. Neither of them is used in the same fashion and neither is asked to do what the other did.
It is not possible to compare Cannon to Fournette. Neither of them is used in the same fashion and neither is asked to do what the other did.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 2:52 pm to St Jean The Baptiste
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Billy Cannon won a Heisman in 1959.
1959!!!!
No blacks were allowed on that team.
They had blacks in the pros, and Cannon led the league is rushing in 1961.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 3:02 pm to Tigahs
LF is the best back I've seen at LSU. Cecil Collins comes in 2nd, followed by Faulk, Alaexander, Hilliard, and then probably Cannon.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 3:23 pm to MrSpock
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I'm sure those "several times of 9.5" timed by bubba with a pocket watch are entirely accurate. Even today the USATF states you should add .24s if you hand time an event.
Ok fine, his 9.5 100 yard dash converted to 100 meters is a 10.39. Round that up to 10.4 for good measure and add .24 and he runs. 10.64, which would still be faster than Fournette.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 3:25 pm to loopdog
Why because I can see the Cannon wasn't a true RB? Just an athlete put back there because why not. Like 14 year old travel teams who put their best player at SS, Pitch him every 5 days, and bat him 3rd? That doesn't make him the best SS ever or the best pitcher.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 3:48 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Hey ,some criminal ran really well for 4 weeks against 3 scrubs and Auburn.
This differs from LF7 how? Outside of the criminal part. He had an average season last year by LSU starting back standards and has run really well against some really bad run defenses this year for 4 weeks.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 4:10 pm to St Jean The Baptiste
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Billy Cannon wouldn't have had a carry on the 1997 team.
What a dumb shite you are.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 8:23 pm to ell_13
At Istrouma High, he set a state record with 57-4 in the shot put and ran the 100 yard dash in 9.7 seconds, At LSU, he threw the heavier (16-pound) college shot over 54 feet and improved his time to 9.4 seconds in the 100—becoming the first to put together such an unlikely double.
Istrouma coach James “Big Fuzzy” Brown started a weight training program in 1954, and Cannon—then a 168-pound sophomore—became the best-known prodigy of Baton Rouge weighlifting guru Alvin Roy. When Cannon’s weight reached 200 pounds, he was only 12 pounds short of the Olympic lifting record.
As a senior, Cannon gained more than 100 yards in 12 of Istrouma’s 13 games and scored 33 touchdowns. He had 178 yards rushing and three touchdowns as Istrouma capped its unbeaten season with a 40-6 rout of Fair Park in the state finals. Cannon was all-everything.
He led LSU to the national championship in the fall of 1958. He was not only the fastest player on that squad, but was one of the biggest. There was one 210-pounder on each of the three units (White team, Go team, Chinese Bandits). Nobody else outweighed Cannon by more than one pound.
After the 1958 season, Cannon finished third in Heisman Trophy voting behind Pete Dawkins of Army and Randy Duncan of Iowa. Nobody else was close, and Cannon led in the South and Southwest.
The following year, LSU’s bid for a repeat title came up inches short in a one-point loss to Tennessee at Knoxville. But the Heisman voting was a one horse race. Cannon piled up 1,929 points, more than tripling runner-up Richie Lucas of Penn State. He had more points than the combined totals of the next eight players, sweeping all sections of the country.
He probably already had the Heisman Trophy locked up when the No. 1-ranked Tigers played Ole Miss on Oct. 31, 1959—Halloween night. But Cannon erased all doubts that night, making the longest run in LSU history. It wasn’t the longest in distance, but it was the longest in legend.----------------------
Just to dispel a few of the idiots posting in this thread...taken from the LA Sports Hall of Fame webpage.
Istrouma coach James “Big Fuzzy” Brown started a weight training program in 1954, and Cannon—then a 168-pound sophomore—became the best-known prodigy of Baton Rouge weighlifting guru Alvin Roy. When Cannon’s weight reached 200 pounds, he was only 12 pounds short of the Olympic lifting record.
As a senior, Cannon gained more than 100 yards in 12 of Istrouma’s 13 games and scored 33 touchdowns. He had 178 yards rushing and three touchdowns as Istrouma capped its unbeaten season with a 40-6 rout of Fair Park in the state finals. Cannon was all-everything.
He led LSU to the national championship in the fall of 1958. He was not only the fastest player on that squad, but was one of the biggest. There was one 210-pounder on each of the three units (White team, Go team, Chinese Bandits). Nobody else outweighed Cannon by more than one pound.
After the 1958 season, Cannon finished third in Heisman Trophy voting behind Pete Dawkins of Army and Randy Duncan of Iowa. Nobody else was close, and Cannon led in the South and Southwest.
The following year, LSU’s bid for a repeat title came up inches short in a one-point loss to Tennessee at Knoxville. But the Heisman voting was a one horse race. Cannon piled up 1,929 points, more than tripling runner-up Richie Lucas of Penn State. He had more points than the combined totals of the next eight players, sweeping all sections of the country.
He probably already had the Heisman Trophy locked up when the No. 1-ranked Tigers played Ole Miss on Oct. 31, 1959—Halloween night. But Cannon erased all doubts that night, making the longest run in LSU history. It wasn’t the longest in distance, but it was the longest in legend.----------------------
Just to dispel a few of the idiots posting in this thread...taken from the LA Sports Hall of Fame webpage.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 8:37 pm to larry289
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larry289
You're old and senile.
I retract my statement about Billy Cannon not having any carries on the '97 team.
He would have had the same amount of carries as Kendall Cleveland.
Collins (had he stayed healthy), Faulk and Mealey were better than Cannon and would have had more carries.
Cannon was special, but you can't compare him to modern day athletes like Faulk, Mealey, Fournette, Jeremy Hill or Harvey Williams.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 8:47 pm to Mike da Tigah
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LF is the best back I've seen at LSU. Cecil Collins comes in 2nd, followed by Faulk, Alaexander, Hilliard, and then probably Cannon.
It's difficult trying to understand why so many posters disrespect Jeremy Hill. Dude had speed and broke away similar to LF7
Posted on 10/12/15 at 8:54 pm to Tigahs
Cannon all day. He was Jim brown before Jim brown.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 8:55 pm to larry289
Larry289 - great post
It's worth noting that prior to Alvin Roy bringing weight lifting to Istrouma High as part of training that the sports world frowned on weight lifting for sports training. They had the mindset that bulking would slow athletes down when it works just the opposite. Billy would have been a monster training under today's conditions. Wait, he was a monster back then!
To the guy that brought up how slow Cannon was at the end of "the run" Billy admitted how flat out wasted tired he was. They had been playing in rain (uni's soaked) and playing both O and D. I've stated before if Cannon doesn't make the game saving tackle on the game's final play from LSU's 1 yard line LSU loses that game. The PR never would have had the effect it did had the Tigers not upset Ole Miss that night.
It would be interesting to see LF7 play D as well.
It's worth noting that prior to Alvin Roy bringing weight lifting to Istrouma High as part of training that the sports world frowned on weight lifting for sports training. They had the mindset that bulking would slow athletes down when it works just the opposite. Billy would have been a monster training under today's conditions. Wait, he was a monster back then!
To the guy that brought up how slow Cannon was at the end of "the run" Billy admitted how flat out wasted tired he was. They had been playing in rain (uni's soaked) and playing both O and D. I've stated before if Cannon doesn't make the game saving tackle on the game's final play from LSU's 1 yard line LSU loses that game. The PR never would have had the effect it did had the Tigers not upset Ole Miss that night.
It would be interesting to see LF7 play D as well.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 8:59 pm to St Jean The Baptiste
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Cannon was special, but you can't compare him to modern day athletes like Faulk, Mealey, Fournette, Jeremy Hill or Harvey Williams.
Sure you can, you just have to adjust for advancements in training, equipment, technology, medical care, and how good respective o-lines were between the eras they played.
On the other hand, it's a stupid fricking argument that no one should care about.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 10:12 pm to St Jean The Baptiste
wow, you are dense.
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