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Apocalypse now
Posted on 6/30/15 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 6/30/15 at 4:35 pm
Just finished watching it for the first time and I'm undecided as to how I feel about it. Obviously, I assume the movie had a bigger impact when it was first released.
What are your thoughts on the movie? Likes? Dislikes?
What are your thoughts on the movie? Likes? Dislikes?
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 4:36 pm to sonicsam
my thought upon initial watch was:
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how the frick is this movie considered one of the best of all time? really?
Posted on 6/30/15 at 4:38 pm to The Egg
I see your point. The Redux runs close to 3.5 hours. Sheesh!
Posted on 6/30/15 at 5:02 pm to sonicsam
I watched the Redux for the first time ever, having not seen the original, and I loved it. So strange and surreal but visually amazing and always kept me interested in what would happen next and how it would end.
You have to appreciate the ambition and scope of the movie and the cinematography is beautiful.
I can see why people would think its one of the greatest movies ever made.
You have to appreciate the ambition and scope of the movie and the cinematography is beautiful.
I can see why people would think its one of the greatest movies ever made.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 5:13 pm to sonicsam
frick the redux, the theatrical cut is the best. Coppola was at the top of his game at the time. People may not like it, but to think it sucks is beyond my scope of understanding.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 5:44 pm to sonicsam
I think its the best "war movie" ever made. Some people think its slow or boring at times, I don't see that all. If you haven't read "Heart of Darkness" (I only did because I had to in school) you may not appreciate the movie as much.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 6:00 pm to The Egg
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my thought upon initial watch was:
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how the frick is this movie considered one of the best of all time? really?
Fair enough.
I'd recommended watching the documentary on the making of the film: Hearts of Darkness. It makes it clear how frustrating and disorganized the process of making the film was for Coppola... and less of a surprise that the movie didn't offer real meaning so much as defaulting to nihilism when they didn't know what else to do with the film options in front of them.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 6:03 pm to sonicsam
i watched the redux initially and it put my arse to sleep
the theatrical cut is 100,000x better. a true classic
the theatrical cut is 100,000x better. a true classic
Posted on 6/30/15 at 6:07 pm to sonicsam
It's Heart of Darkness (probably the best short story ever written; best one I've ever read, anyway).
The War is just the form of the movie.
The War is just the form of the movie.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 6:31 pm to sonicsam
Awesome arse movie. That is all.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 6:36 pm to lsusportsman2
I loved the theatrical cut better. Had to enjoy Robert Duvall's character and his portrayal.
"It's a good surf board....." Then again, that line was in the redux. Still liked the theatrical cut better. Redux was too drawn out.
"It's a good surf board....." Then again, that line was in the redux. Still liked the theatrical cut better. Redux was too drawn out.
This post was edited on 6/30/15 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 6/30/15 at 6:47 pm to sonicsam
Robert Duval was awesome.
Martin Sheen was good.
Marlon Brando was weird
I hated the end.
Martin Sheen was good.
Marlon Brando was weird
I hated the end.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 6:50 pm to upgrade
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Robert Duval was awesome.
Times 100. They could have made a movie off of his character alone.
I would have liked to have seen Brando's character developed more. Of course, Brando had gained so much weight that he insisted that he sort of be in the shadows in terms of lighting, and he read cue cards during the filming.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 6:59 pm to damnedoldtigah
Redux is worth watching if you really like the theatrical cut. I got to see the redux it in the theater and it was a long sit but gave me a new appreciation for a movie I'd seen a dozen times before.
Like someone else said, I had to read Heart of Darkness in high school and that really helps with viewing it as a stand alone story rather than another take on the Vietnam War.
Like someone else said, I had to read Heart of Darkness in high school and that really helps with viewing it as a stand alone story rather than another take on the Vietnam War.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 7:36 pm to sonicsam
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Like very much
Posted on 6/30/15 at 7:39 pm to PowerTool
Reading/knowing the book helps put the movie in the right context. Otherwise, its too easy to think its just another Vietnam war movie. Recommend this essay-
Conrad & Coppala
Conrad & Coppala
Posted on 6/30/15 at 8:15 pm to ScottFowler
I'm not sure it's a war movie, but it's great ...
Posted on 6/30/15 at 8:25 pm to sonicsam
I'm in the minority among fans of the film - I liked the theatrical cut, but love the Redux version. A film that comes the closest to capturing the emotional fricking mess that WAS the U.S. experience in Vietnam - and using Heart of Darkness as a template. The movie succeeds on so many levels - the absurdity of war, the bravado, the professionalism, the farce - failures of operational leadership, the futility of trying to "tame" or "chain" war as a beast, and the logical consequences of "no rules" in warfare.
The movie speaks to me on a lot of levels, particularly as I've progressed through the military.
The movie speaks to me on a lot of levels, particularly as I've progressed through the military.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 8:42 pm to Ace Midnight
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I liked the theatrical cut, but love the Redux version. A film that comes the closest to capturing the emotional fricking mess that WAS the U.S. experience in Vietnam
My dad is an Army vet who went to Vietnam. On the rare occasion that the subject comes up, he always says that Platoon and We Were Soldiers are the closest any movie has come to Vietnam. He's never once mentioned this movie. I'll be sure to ask him tomorrow about it.
FWIW, I liked Redux but have never seen the original.
This post was edited on 6/30/15 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 6/30/15 at 8:57 pm to 79
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On the rare occasion that the subject comes up, he always says that Platoon and We Were Soldiers are the closest any movie has come to Vietnam.
And I didn't mean to imply the individual soldier experience, that probably is Platoon or Full Metal Jacket.
But the "U.S. experience" - overall, all of it, is encapsulated in this film. The film is a literal journey into madness. And with repeated viewings, it's clear - Willard is quite mad at the beginning of the film - FFC doesn't try to conceal it - you get it in the opening scene. Then he puts on a good "front" for the brass. And this implies that they're crazy too, and put on a front for each other. After all the mission is crazy. But they're all pointing the fingers at Kurtz and saying, "He's the crazy one." And as he gets closer and closer, people are less ashamed and less concealing of just how crazy they are.
That's why I like the French plantation scenes - it offers a reset button. These people have already gone through their crazy phase in Vietnam - they're past it and in, more or less an extended state of collective mourning, just as the crew is upon arrival. And then it really gets crazy when it is time to do the mission.
And Kurtz acts like he is the only sane one.
Just brilliant.
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