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re: Where would you rank this Warriors team in history?
Posted on 6/17/15 at 2:14 am to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 6/17/15 at 2:14 am to ReauxlTide222
I got into it really early. I was 6 in 1999 and that's the first time I can actually tell you about stuff I actually remember and could grasp. It's just the house I grew up in 
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Posted on 6/17/15 at 2:16 am to randomways
I feel like I'd hate the bad boys when I was a kid and through high school. But I'd fricking love them now
Posted on 6/17/15 at 2:17 am to WestCoastAg
Just looked and I was 10 when that happened. I was really into and understanding other sports way before basketball though. Guess that's why it feels like I picked it up late. Must have been an ancient 10 year old
ETA: Damn this is weird. I remember all 5 of these last Laker championships. But in 98 I didn't even know who Jordan was.
An older kid in my neighborhood tricked me into trading him all my MJ cards for some shite Pokemon cards when I was like 6
ETA: Damn this is weird. I remember all 5 of these last Laker championships. But in 98 I didn't even know who Jordan was.
An older kid in my neighborhood tricked me into trading him all my MJ cards for some shite Pokemon cards when I was like 6
This post was edited on 6/17/15 at 2:23 am
Posted on 6/17/15 at 2:19 am to ReauxlTide222
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My first NBA memory
I remember being really young watching Bird, Magic, Isaiah Thomas, Dominique & Jordan even before Pippen. I even remember some of the good fights back then, one between the Hawks & Heat in particular. I was real young then but I have one those memories where I don't forget much.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 2:24 am to randomways
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I'm going to be honest and concede it's been quite a few years, so I'd have to go back and refresh my memory of the general population of teams.
In terms of that 95-96 season, it was the Bulls then the Magic & Knicks in the East. The other teams in the East were pretty average to below.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 2:27 am to WestCoastAg
They definitely had panache. It was like every single starter was the evil counterpart of one of the NBA's golden boys, starting Isiah as Jordan's evil counterpart, Laimbeer as...Bird's (yeah, because they're both white) evil counterpart, and so on.
Just looked it up -- apparently the Bad Boy era, as defined by whoever edited the Pistons wiki page, ran from 1979-1994. I only caught the very tail end of that when I started watching in middle school. So they never had a chance to grow on me.
Just looked it up -- apparently the Bad Boy era, as defined by whoever edited the Pistons wiki page, ran from 1979-1994. I only caught the very tail end of that when I started watching in middle school. So they never had a chance to grow on me.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 2:37 am to WestCoastAg
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I feel like I'd hate the bad boys when I was a kid and through high school. But I'd fricking love them now
They were awesome based on what I've seen.
I'm barely old enough to really remember Jordan outside of being a little kid in awe of him andthe fact that he was a god that never lost. Dude was like Marty McFly. No matter what went down, he ended up winning the title and dancing with Michael Jackson. At first I was into Jordan mania because my uncles were huge into the NBA, but I remember a switch flipping and wanting the Jazz to win for no real reason outside of wanting to see something different. In fact outside of memories of Jordan in the playoffs and Finals, I don't remember much else. So, I didn't get to enjoy the Bad Boys during.
That said, I did watch a ton of classic NBA playoff games much later, and I always found myself loving the Bad Boys, especially the Jordan battles and Jordan Rules stuff. It reminds me a lot of watching Lebron against the Spurs last year. You have this guy who seems untouchable with no answer to the stuff these guys are throwing at him.
Since I saw them for the first time, there has never been a moment where I haven't both loved and hated Bill Laimbeer, the dick.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 2:41 am to Dijkstra
Did I just read that Lebron lead both teams in points assists and rebounds for the series?
Posted on 6/17/15 at 2:55 am to ReauxlTide222
He averaged 35.8 points, 13.3 rebounds, and 8.8 assists in the Finals. Obviously, 1.2 isn't a tiny margin, but that's dangerously close to averaging a triple double.
Hilariously enough even as someone who likes Lebron a lot as a player, he accounted for 38.3% of Cleveland's points in the Finals, which is the second highest in Finals history only behind Jordan in the '93 Finals with 38.4%. If he does or contributes literally anything more at all, he ties for the best at the very least. Dude can't catch a break.
Hilariously enough even as someone who likes Lebron a lot as a player, he accounted for 38.3% of Cleveland's points in the Finals, which is the second highest in Finals history only behind Jordan in the '93 Finals with 38.4%. If he does or contributes literally anything more at all, he ties for the best at the very least. Dude can't catch a break.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 3:03 am to Dijkstra
That's absurd. Not the numbers, though they're absurd, but the fact that a player could do that and not really have have a chance to win a series. No player has ever lead both teams in points assists and rebounds before. Even typing that is crazy. AND THEY LOST
Posted on 6/17/15 at 3:14 am to ReauxlTide222
I truly believe this series was lost when the media hyped up Dellavedova. The shots he took in Game 4 after the whole "Dellavedova locks down Curry" shite took off were downright embarrassing. Dude went from a scrappy player making hustle plays and contributing enough for Lebron's performance to be an edge instead of keeping them barely in the game to taking shots with defenders in his face and full shot clocks. It's like Shump, JR Smith, and Dellavedova heard that they needed to score to win and forgot about the fact that Lebron should handle the ball and offense should run through him on every play unless there's something wide open.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 3:20 am to BigBrod81
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In terms of that 95-96 season, it was the Bulls then the Magic & Knicks in the East. The other teams in the East were pretty average to below.
The Magic were a 60 game winner and we're acting like they were just ok? Pacers were a 52 game winner and the Cavs, Pistons, and Hawks were all 46+ wins. Not one losing record in the playoffs.
They played the Raptors 4 times actually losing 1. They played the Grizzles twice winning both. So 6 games in which they went 5-1.
Not really sure how you think the Bulls 72 wins wasn't as special as it actually was?
Posted on 6/17/15 at 3:32 am to Dijkstra
Idk, in any other universe, what Lebron did would have been even more remarkable. He shot WAY more so this part of his game wasn't as highlighted, but he still consistently hit dudes in the numbers for open 3s and they couldn't hit ANYTHING. I think the wild shots from the role players was just a product of them not being very good basketball players. They weren't even hitting basic shots with any consistency.
Love and Kyrie would be hitting those shits at what, AT LEAST 38%? Plus they'd be bodies to take up minutes. They'd score points without Lebron having to kill himself every possession. Can you imagine the Cavs still getting points while Lebron got to chill for a few seconds? Their 4th quarters would be completely different.
IMO, the series was over when Love and Kyrie got injured.
ETA: Kyrie shot 45% and 39% from 3 this year...Love shot 44% and 36%. IMO, that gets the job done and losing them was the series.
Love and Kyrie would be hitting those shits at what, AT LEAST 38%? Plus they'd be bodies to take up minutes. They'd score points without Lebron having to kill himself every possession. Can you imagine the Cavs still getting points while Lebron got to chill for a few seconds? Their 4th quarters would be completely different.
IMO, the series was over when Love and Kyrie got injured.
ETA: Kyrie shot 45% and 39% from 3 this year...Love shot 44% and 36%. IMO, that gets the job done and losing them was the series.
This post was edited on 6/17/15 at 3:35 am
Posted on 6/17/15 at 3:34 am to Sho Nuff
Not to mention, the Magic waxed the Bulls the year before in the 95 Eastern Conference Semifinals. Everyone seems to forget Nick Andersen picking Jordan clean to dish it to Horace Grant for the jam late in Game 1 that year. Spawned one of favorite shite talking quotes ever.
Acting like the Magic weren't an excellent team in that span is just ignorant. It's one thing to take into account the teams Jordan won titles with, but downplaying some of the teams of that era who tested those Bulls teams is either ignorance or just plain uninformed. If they hadn't run into a Hakeem that had just dominated The Admiral and was ready to bang in there with Shaq, the Magic would have probably taken it home in '95.
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"No. 45 doesn't explode like No. 23 used to," Anderson told reporters after the game. "No. 45 is not No. 23. I couldn't have done that to No. 23."
Acting like the Magic weren't an excellent team in that span is just ignorant. It's one thing to take into account the teams Jordan won titles with, but downplaying some of the teams of that era who tested those Bulls teams is either ignorance or just plain uninformed. If they hadn't run into a Hakeem that had just dominated The Admiral and was ready to bang in there with Shaq, the Magic would have probably taken it home in '95.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 3:41 am to ReauxlTide222
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Love and Kyrie would be hitting those shits at what, AT LEAST 38%? Plus they'd be bodies to take up minutes. They'd score points without Lebron having to kill himself every possession. Can you imagine the Cavs still getting points while Lebron got to chill for a few seconds? Their 4th quarters would be completely different.
Honestly, that was the entire point of one of my posts earlier. If the Cavs take both at Oracle instead of splitting in two intense OT games, they steal home court advantage and can afford to rest more in games 3 and 4 with momentum and a little padding. They probably end up taking one of those, but in the end, they can rest and drop one at home. Little stress, less confidence for Golden State, and more rest for the Cavs. Hell, even if they win Game 4 instead of getting waxed, I think they pull it out. Letting Golden State even it up when your entire rotation is burnt out, missing shots, and your coach has forgotten that Mozgov is on the team (even if just to stay big inside and grab boards while Lebron rests) is pretty much the end of the series.
At that point, they just knew they needed to make Lebron work hard early, tire him out, and let his teammates try the dumb shite they somehow thought would work out for them after game 3. Iggy came in rested, physical, and ready to do his job, which was tire out Lebron. He just also happened to turn on god mode and drain every shot he took.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 3:44 am to Dijkstra
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Not to mention, the Magic waxed the Bulls the year before in the 95 Eastern Conference Semifinals. Everyone seems to forget Nick Andersen picking Jordan clean to dish it to Horace Grant for the jam late in Game 1 that year. Spawned one of favorite shite talking quotes ever. quote:
I was happy to get MJ back, but he wasn't fully ready and the team wasn't gelling completely yet and the Magic were a great team. Of course, the LBJ fanbois will say playing a whole season doesn't mean anything to try to discredit MJ though. Full season and I think the series may go differently.
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Acting like the Magic weren't an excellent team in that span is just ignorant. It's one thing to take into account the teams Jordan won titles with, but downplaying some of the teams of that era who tested those Bulls teams is either ignorance or just plain uninformed. If they hadn't run into a Hakeem that had just dominated The Admiral and was ready to bang in there with Shaq, the Magic would have probably taken it home in '95.
Hakeem was unstoppable. I really wish MJ wouldn't have retired. Those 2 years would have been a great series and to see if the Bulls could've made it 8 straight.
This post was edited on 6/17/15 at 3:52 am
Posted on 6/17/15 at 4:17 am to Sho Nuff
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Of course, the LBJ fanbois will say playing a whole season doesn't mean anything to try to discredit MJ though. Full season and I think the series may go differently.
To be fair, I think Jordan's ego was bit to blame as well. Deciding to come out of retirement later in the season for a post-season run was begging for disaster. Jordan was godly, but his ego has always been his biggest enemy. Best thing to do in that situation is train while the season winds down, let things play out for the Bulls, and come back the next season rested and ready for the season. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Pippen wasn't exactly too happy about all of it. Sure, they dominated again, but it was just an ego-driven, selfish move by Jordan in my opinion. To me, if he sits out and comes back for the second title streak, he ends up with 6 consecutive titles in 6 consecutive person Finals appearances, and his legend is even more insane.
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Hakeem was unstoppable. I really wish MJ wouldn't have retired. Those 2 years would have been a great series and to see if the Bulls could've made it 8 straight.
I'll be honest. I'm not sure if I think the Bull take the Rockets, at least in 1995. That Rockets team hit their stride at the PERFECT time. They went into the Finals with Hakeem having decimated David Robinson, and they absolutely destroyed the Magic. I just think that the Bulls were just too spent and Jordan was gambling way too much to have really gone toe to toe with The Dream. I'm probably biased, though, because I have a ton of history with the Rockets for someone who doesn't consider themselves a Rockets fan.
My dad moved to Houston right around the time the Rockets took over, and since Louisiana had no team, he pushed the Rockets on me. I entertained it, but never really committed to until we got the Hornets. So, I have all of this Rockets NBA Champions gear in pristine condition from that period in a box somewhere at his house. Not sure why I never cared much about it until the past few years. I guess I couldn't trust him again after I bought into the Astros and saw the future pain I'd feel in Randy Johnson's mullet during his first game there.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 4:46 am to Dijkstra
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To be fair, I think Jordan's ego was bit to blame as well. Deciding to come out of retirement later in the season for a post-season run was begging for disaster. Jordan was godly, but his ego has always been his biggest enemy. Best thing to do in that situation is train while the season winds down, let things play out for the Bulls, and come back the next season rested and ready for the season. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Pippen wasn't exactly too happy about all of it. Sure, they dominated again, but it was just an ego-driven, selfish move by Jordan in my opinion. To me, if he sits out and comes back for the second title streak, he ends up with 6 consecutive titles in 6 consecutive person Finals appearances, and his legend is even more insane.
Pretty much agree with everything here
but as I mentioned, I was happy to see MJ playing again. As far as the Rockets, no doubt they were on fire and why I would have loved that series. 8 straight Finals and MVPs is just crazy to think about but I think he might've done it. We'll never know. Props to Hakeem and Drexler and Rudy T, they all deserved it.
I hear you on the Rockets, kinda grew up an Astros fan, but had family in St Louis so was always a Cards fan as a kid. Got to to see Oz doing his backflips before the banned it
But because they played all the Bulls games on WGN in NOLA, I was lucky enough to be a Bulls fan and watch every game MJ played in
This post was edited on 6/17/15 at 4:50 am
Posted on 6/17/15 at 4:51 am to ReauxlTide222
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No amount of stats could convince me that this Warriors team is a top 10 GOAT.
This.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 3:27 pm to Sho Nuff
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The Magic were a 60 game winner and we're acting like they were just ok? Pacers were a 52 game winner and the Cavs, Pistons, and Hawks were all 46+ wins.
You didn't honestly believe back then or now that the Cavs, an aged Pistons team, Hawks or Pacers were going to come out of the East. I know I didn't. Orlando had the talent but lacked the playoff experience to beat the Bulls. The Knicks were the only realistic shot because they had the veterans & because the Bulls & Knicks was such a big rivalry. Losing Pat Riley as coach after the 94-95 really hurt any chance the Knicks had against the Bulls that season & it caused New York to have an up & down 95-96 season.
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Not really sure how you think the Bulls 72 wins wasn't as special as it actually was?
You take away those 5 easy wins & the Bulls don't set the NBA record for wins. The Bulls also had 8 wins against the other 4 teams that entered the league since 1988. I distinctly said that 95-96 Bulls team was really good but you can't honestly say that setting the record for most wins in a season wasn't benefited from expansion.
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