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Military/Veterans question
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:24 pm
Do you honor current or former military members who do not serve in combat roles? Like for instance, people who work behind desks and just make the military machine move along.
Are they just glorified office workers to you, or do they get that same "put their life on the line for your freedom" line that all other military members get.
Some know it all here at the office today tried to say they aren't veterans, and actually dislikes those who hold those positions and claim they are "war veterans".
Are they just glorified office workers to you, or do they get that same "put their life on the line for your freedom" line that all other military members get.
Some know it all here at the office today tried to say they aren't veterans, and actually dislikes those who hold those positions and claim they are "war veterans".
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:26 pm to Kracka
If you served, you served, and you earned your veteran status.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:27 pm to Kracka
You work with OleWarSkuleAlum?
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:27 pm to Kracka
Just tell him he's a douchebag and go on with your life.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:28 pm to Kracka
they mean just as much to the big picture as any other member of the military
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:28 pm to Kracka
Honor ALL who wore the uniform. 
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:28 pm to Kracka
My grandfather enlisted in the Navy during WWII. He was in officer training pretty much the whole time, never left the country. He used to always say he wasn't a veteran because he didn't really serve. Now he's old and has decided he likes the way people talk to him when he tells them he's a WWII veteran.
I guess my answer to the question would be that I do not differentiate between people who have been in combat vs those who have not, but I believe most people who have not seen action will hold those who have in higher esteem.
I guess my answer to the question would be that I do not differentiate between people who have been in combat vs those who have not, but I believe most people who have not seen action will hold those who have in higher esteem.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:29 pm to Kracka
ETA: Thread was done three days ago
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:32 pm to Kracka
Everyone is part of the fight regardless of what position you served in.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:41 pm to Kracka
quote:
If you served, you served, and you earned your veteran status.
Everyone matters. The military could not function as a whole without all the necessary moving parts.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:45 pm to Kracka
A. Memorial day is to remember those who have fallen - primarily in battle, but also those who served and are no longer with us.
2. Nobody knows when they join up how it is all going to work out. I never expected to be in Kosovo or Iraq, or fighting a giant hurricane in New Orleans, for that matter. Likewise, if you end up at a fuel depot, or in a maintenance unit - one never knows when you're in that unit and in a convoy that gets hit between bases.
But, what folks in uniform DO understand is that what they do is inherently dangerous - firing weapons, operating heavy equipment, aircraft/airfield operations, explosives, etc.
And, their bodies take a pounding from physical training, ruck marches, exposure to chemicals, 50 innoculations at 1 time, etc.
Finally, if you're ordered to do something dangerous in your job - you can resort to OSHA, DOL, EPA, etc., and, at the end of the day, quit and go home before actual exposure takes place (at least if you know about it). Military folks have chaplains, sergeants major, the IG, etc., but at the end of the day, if they refuse an order, they face sanctions up to and including death.
So - let us back off the front-line versus REMF, strac versus pogue debate and honor the service. There are wonderful Americans who haven't served a day in their life. There are worthless sacks of dung who did 30 years in the navy, and everything in between.
Service is service - if one wants to elevate "combat" service, whatever that means in 2015 - by all means, do so. But please recall that these "non-combat" servicemen and servicewomen raised their hand, gave of themselves, time away from family and voluntarily did a bunch of unpleasant things that the vast majority of our population doesn't have the stomach for.
2. Nobody knows when they join up how it is all going to work out. I never expected to be in Kosovo or Iraq, or fighting a giant hurricane in New Orleans, for that matter. Likewise, if you end up at a fuel depot, or in a maintenance unit - one never knows when you're in that unit and in a convoy that gets hit between bases.
But, what folks in uniform DO understand is that what they do is inherently dangerous - firing weapons, operating heavy equipment, aircraft/airfield operations, explosives, etc.
And, their bodies take a pounding from physical training, ruck marches, exposure to chemicals, 50 innoculations at 1 time, etc.
Finally, if you're ordered to do something dangerous in your job - you can resort to OSHA, DOL, EPA, etc., and, at the end of the day, quit and go home before actual exposure takes place (at least if you know about it). Military folks have chaplains, sergeants major, the IG, etc., but at the end of the day, if they refuse an order, they face sanctions up to and including death.
So - let us back off the front-line versus REMF, strac versus pogue debate and honor the service. There are wonderful Americans who haven't served a day in their life. There are worthless sacks of dung who did 30 years in the navy, and everything in between.
Service is service - if one wants to elevate "combat" service, whatever that means in 2015 - by all means, do so. But please recall that these "non-combat" servicemen and servicewomen raised their hand, gave of themselves, time away from family and voluntarily did a bunch of unpleasant things that the vast majority of our population doesn't have the stomach for.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:46 pm to Kracka
quote:
Do you honor current or former military members who do not serve in combat roles? Like for instance, people who work behind desks and just make the military machine move along.
Are they just glorified office workers to you, or do they get that same "put their life on the line for your freedom" line that all other military members get.
Some know it all here at the office today tried to say they aren't veterans, and actually dislikes those who hold those positions and claim they are "war veterans".
There is much more to the military lifestyle than just holding and shooting a gun. Every military member sacrifices. Some pay that ultimate sacrifice though, whether it's through death, physical, or mentally. Every one of us signed up, every one of us can be put in a combat role although that may not be our position. Every one of us deserves an amount of respect. I remind my troops that every day.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:48 pm to Kracka
Sister was a Yeoman in the USN. She was a paperpusher...and she knew it..but she knew the Navy couldn't run without that paper.
Veterans status is deserved by all who serve and meet the time/status required to be a vet.
Veterans status is deserved by all who serve and meet the time/status required to be a vet.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:48 pm to Kracka
Even those who did not see combat or were not in combat roles gave complete control of their life to the US military until their time was up, which is more sacrifice than I've ever made. So yes, from a civilian POV, they should receive the same honor.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:57 pm to Kracka
Yeah I honor them, they are all part of the team.
You also never want to piss of your battalion's s shop's ncoic and oics.
You also never want to piss of your battalion's s shop's ncoic and oics.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:05 pm to Kracka
makes no difference to me but I don't want o hear any FOBBIT's telling war stories about how they charged an emeny line by themselves. They have a job and grunts have a job. just dot lie about what you did
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:08 pm to Kracka
I talk shite to POGs but that's just good old fashioned fun and I realize that well all have a job to do and they are all equally important.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:33 pm to Kracka
I'm technically a veteran but don't call myself one or boast about service. I always respected the war veterans and felt inferior, in some ways I should. However, some war vets would get mad if I said something like this around them, they stated you served, wore the uniform and it is what it is. Army teaches selfless service, but it doesn't exist, we all wanted something out of it, now the pat tillmans of the world even wanted something, wether it more honorable or selfish than the rest. I wanted the check and college. However, I didn't use it, it used me.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:00 pm to Kracka
quote:I was a member of an EOD unit and our job was to make sure all LZ's were clear of explosives - was attached to the 64th Com group at Bien Hoa AB about 20 miles from Saigon - the day they were processing us in - our orderly/admin building was hit twice by recoil less rifle fire - the clerks ran to pre determined sandbagged areas and waited for the small arms from Charlie - which came once - from that day on I realized when you are in a war zone - your arse is a target.
Do you honor current or former military members who do not serve in combat roles? Like for instance, people who work behind desks and just make the military machine move along.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:24 pm to Kracka
I promise you I mattered when a spouse came in and her husbands pay was fricked up. 
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