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re: Biker Shootout at the Twin Peaks in Waco, TX

Posted on 6/6/15 at 11:58 am to
Posted by Agforlife
Somewhere in the Brazos Valley
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Posted on 6/6/15 at 11:58 am to
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Not knowingly, if I even do. See the difference?


Oh I see every 1%er is a criminal got it.
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 6/6/15 at 11:59 am to
I was just going off of Darth's comment about it being an open meeting to all clubs in Texas.
Posted by Agforlife
Somewhere in the Brazos Valley
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/6/15 at 12:00 pm to
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was just going off of Darth's comment about it being an open meeting to all clubs in Texas.




Yeah, you know better and I expect more from you
Posted by Old Sarge
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 6/6/15 at 12:03 pm to
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Oh I see every 1%er is a criminal got it.


Well to be a full member. Bandido you have to commit 2 felonies in the presence of other Bandidos (according to law enforcement)

Here's how the Chairman of the CoC signs his correspondence:


Respect to all,
TCOC&I State Office
Bandido Gimmi Jimmy 1%er - Chairman
This post was edited on 6/6/15 at 12:12 pm
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 6/6/15 at 12:08 pm to
Don't get me wrong brother, I've got screaming eagle synthetic in my blood. I have spent plenty if time in those circles, just probably not as much as you. But Darth is trying too hard on the "most of these were just poor innocent victims" stance. And we just can't compare the CoC to the AMA or TMRA

Posted by Agforlife
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Posted on 6/6/15 at 12:12 pm to
Maybe but the thing is there were more non criminals there than there were criminals. Don't misunderstand me I know exactly what goes on in that world and there is something that's just no right with this. I don't know what it is or where it came from but something isn't right.
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 6/6/15 at 12:13 pm to
And I'm not saying the cops might not have gotten trigger and handcuff happy either
Posted by Agforlife
Somewhere in the Brazos Valley
Member since Nov 2012
20102 posts
Posted on 6/6/15 at 12:15 pm to
Go look at the link hmmmmm I posted, yeah I know you have to consider the source but the photos don't lie and someone set this up. It looks like whatever they were trying to do went horribly wrong or eerily right.
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 6/6/15 at 12:54 pm to
That link was worth the read. Still too early for anything but speculation. It did point out that the CC tv in the restaurant does show at least one biker waving a gun. But the theory of possibly 4 fatalities in the restaurant being from police overshooting their marks in the parking lot is plausible and ballistics will answer that.

This post was edited on 6/6/15 at 12:56 pm
Posted by Agforlife
Somewhere in the Brazos Valley
Member since Nov 2012
20102 posts
Posted on 6/6/15 at 1:02 pm to
Yeah if they ever release them. What it looks like to me is a straight up ambush. I'm withholding judgement but it's getting harder to do because all we are getting from the city is drivel.
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 6/6/15 at 1:38 pm to
I never said all.
Posted by BigSECfan
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 6/6/15 at 3:40 pm to
Ambush? I don't know what you are referring to, but based on the facts in witness accounts and especially the photos, I am sure EVERYONE knew the cops were outside locked and cocked. Yet.........

Now, 200 peeps, many with biker patches. I don't know how many cops were actually there, but I am assuming there were multiples of that in patch wearers.

One pulls a gun and pop. Cops outnumbered. Nearby businesses teaming with civvies. Cops are people too and were outnumbered by multiples.

NOW ASSUMING YOU WANT TO GO HOME TO YOUR WIFE AND CHILDREN AT NIGHT? What miracle would you have performed as a cop to ensure the safety of the civilians, your brothers the other cops, and assure you get to hug your children tonight? Huh?

That's why they arrested them all. And to make sure they put this fire out once and for all and some other crap didn't start up later that Eve or the next day down the street. It's called a cool off period. I think it worked.

It all come out in the end. I for one agree with Sarge, that if you hang around trouble enough you eventually will find trouble.

RIP to those who flies in this silly childish melee. Anyone who wears a patch should be embarrassed at what patch dudes did. Just my opinions and I'm all about healing now. Including those truly involved I hope they can learn and grow from this knowing you just can't pull this kinda crap in public putting innocent people in harms way over this childish behavior.
Posted by Rickety Cricket
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Posted on 6/8/15 at 8:14 am to
The longer the thug trash bikers are in prison, the better. Hopefully this signals a shift in how law enforcement deals with those types of animals.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 6/8/15 at 8:16 am to
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Oh I see every 1%er is a criminal got it.



I'm not anti-biker, but I don't think it's unfair to slap 1%ers with the "likely involved in criminal activity" label.
Posted by Rebelgator
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Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 6/8/15 at 8:18 am to
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Oh I see every 1%er is a criminal got it.



Well, most likely.
Posted by TejasPete
Member since Dec 2013
1425 posts
Posted on 6/8/15 at 8:25 am to
Funny how cops arrested anyone with a patch and say it's justified yet cops have the largest MC in the world and wear a three piece patch.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64964 posts
Posted on 6/8/15 at 8:41 am to
Waco Witnesses Call Cops Killers

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Despite the continued, determined efforts of the Waco police, the Texas Department of Public Safety and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to criminally cover up the worst episode of “biker violence” in American History, the truth keeps leaking out

Emily Schmall (photo above), a correspondent with The Associated Press, reported this morning that most of the shots fired during the Waco massacre were fired by police. Schmall is a seasoned and impeccably responsible journalist who has also written for the New York Times, Newsweek, The Huffington Post, the Miami Herald, Forbes, Bloomberg News, the Guardian and the BBC.

Barrage
Schmall reports that “a few pistol shots” was immediately followed by “a barrage of rifle fire.” The AP’s account conforms to numerous accounts given to The Aging Rebel beginning about 11 a.m. Pacific Time on May 17. The next morning this page reported, “Multiple sources have told The Aging Rebel that all of the dead were killed by police.”

The AP version differs significantly from an account published in the Washington Post, which said that the first five men killed were Cossacks shot in cold blood by Bandidos. Since its publication, the Post has neither advanced its story nor retracted it.

The AP account also differs from the Waco police version. On May 19, Waco police spokesman W. Patrick Swanton stated that only “three or four” of at least 22 police officers surrounding the restaurant fired shots. Swanton also stated that it was “too early” to know if any of those shots killed bikers and that the officers who discharged their weapons had remained on duty. Waco police are now stonewalling journalists. The AP version also conforms to most eyewitness accounts of the incident.

Assault Rifle
Schmall quotes three recent veterans who have the experience to hear the difference between gunshots from different caliber weapons. Marine veteran William English remembers two shots from a small caliber weapon followed by “a rapid succession of shots from what sounded to me like an assault rifle.”

Navy veteran Steve Cochran “heard one pistol shot. All the rest of the shots I heard were assault rifles.”

Schmall writes, “Ron Blackett, a Confederation of Clubs and Independents leader who is a former Army and Coast Guard officer, also reported hearing one or two pistol shots followed by a blast of assault rifle fire.”

Accounts of the exact number of pistol shots fired before the police fusillade vary. They vary because witnesses are always surprised and alarmed and not only hear shots from different directions but also may or may not hear echoes. However the AP account is consistent with a recurring version in which one biker non-fatally shot another at close range and a second biker standing on the Twin Peaks patio brandished and possibly fired a second handgun. It is likely that police opened fire after seeing the biker on the patio pull his gun. The AP version would also explain how Vietnam veteran Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, who was not a member of any club and who had just gotten out his automobile was shot in the head and torso. And it explains how so many people were shot in such a brief time.
Posted by GrammarKnotsi
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 6/8/15 at 8:57 am to
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heard one pistol shot. All the rest of the shots I heard were assault rifles




quote:

an account published in the Washington Post, which said that the first five men killed were Cossacks shot in cold blood by Bandidos. Since its publication, the Post has neither advanced its story nor retracted it.
This post was edited on 6/8/15 at 8:58 am
Posted by bigberg2000
houston, from chalmette
Member since Sep 2005
70096 posts
Posted on 6/8/15 at 9:07 am to
Bikers lives matter
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64964 posts
Posted on 6/8/15 at 9:11 am to
Perhaps this source is a bit more to your liking....

Witnesses: Semi-automatic gunfire dominated biker shootout in Waco

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WACO
First came a few pistol shots, several witnesses said, then a barrage of rifle fire during the shootout last month at a Waco restaurant favored by bikers. But authorities still have not said how many of the dead and wounded were the result of police fire.

Police have identified only one assault weapon, a semi-automatic gun that fires high-powered ammunition, among the firearms confiscated from bikers, and that was found in a locked car after the shooting ended. But several witnesses — at least three of them veterans with weapons training — told The Associated Press that semi-automatic gunfire dominated the May 17 shootout that left nine dead and 18 wounded.




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Steve Cochran, a Navy veteran and member of the Sons of the South club, pulled into the parking lot facing the patio minutes before the shooting began. He was to help set up for the meeting of the Confederation of Clubs and Independents, a group that advocates for biker rights and motorcycle safety.

“I heard one pistol shot. All the rest of the shots I heard were assault rifles,” said Cochran, who took cover behind a crane about 30 yards away. He walked the shooting scene with the AP several days later, showing what he saw and his vantage point.

Cochran said he heard suppressed rounds fired by assault weapons, which are still audible but sound different than a handgun firing.





So if the only "assault rife" the cops found at the scene was locked up in a car and not even used, where did all the rife fire come from?

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