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re: When did the idea that we're all "created equally" become a widely held belief?
Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:15 pm to TigerGman
Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:15 pm to TigerGman
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Poor kid's should never think they can get ahead in today's world. Be content with your lot you dirty scum..
Yeah, too bad some of those scum dreamed big and succeeded. Little frickers didn't know their place.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:17 pm to southernelite
If you call yourself Christian, there is also this from Galatians:
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
That would've been about two thousand years ago.
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
That would've been about two thousand years ago.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:18 pm to texashorn
quote:The core issue here is that people are born with equal protection under the law and equal opportunity. However, they are not born with equal talent, skill, or socio-economic situations.
People (younger, mostly?) believe that the American system guarantees equality of outcomes, instead of the originally intended equality of opportunity.
People with more skill and talent in football will make the nfl, whereas I have no shot no matter how hard I work. It's a matter of genetics more than opportunity. As I had an equal opportunity, but not born with equal chance.
The mistake a lot of people make is that they believe in equal outcomes, and that was never part of the deal. The key is finding the correct niche for your particular talents and skills and exploiting them for the maximum benefit.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:19 pm to JudgeHolden
"We are the middle children of history, raised by television to believe that someday we'll be millionaires and movie stars and rock stars, but we won't. And we're just learning this fact. So don't frick with us.”
Tyler Durden
Is this your perspective?
Tyler Durden
Is this your perspective?
Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:20 pm to Mahootney
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The core issue here is that people are born with equal protection under the law and equal opportunity. However, they are not born with equal talent, skill, or socio-economic situations.
Yep. It has nothing to do with the ability to be a worker drone, or captain of industry.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:20 pm to Mahootney
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People (younger, mostly?) believe that the American system guarantees equality of outcomes, instead of the originally intended equality of opportunity.
Neither is equal today, and the gap is widening. You can think that it is the justifiable product of the system, or you can think it is the greatest threat we have ever faced as a nation. But it is absolutely true.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:21 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Created equally and choosing not to love up to your potential is now the same thing
Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:22 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
More of a religion issue than a race issue imo
Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:27 pm to Breesus
quote:This has nothing to do with everyone being created with equal potential. Absolutely. Nothing.
created equally
Posted on 5/3/15 at 9:48 pm to motorbreath
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the moment you are born your soul is the same as everyone else's
The Enlightment thinkers drew heavily from Petrach who espoused the belief that God create each person with a soul; but he also gave "man" free will or what he referred to as the ability to rise to the level of the Angels or sink the level of the beasts.
This opposed the prevailing assumption at the time that some people were born better than others - that's how Kings and Queens were made...
Imagine this nation's trajectory if the word "created" had been omitted...
Posted on 5/3/15 at 10:16 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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When did the idea that we're all "created equally" become a widely held belief?
7-4-1776
Posted on 5/3/15 at 10:20 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
People have a very incorrect view of that phrase.
We are all created equally in the eyes of the government.
We are not all created equally in the eyes of biology, intelligence, skill, etc.
We are all created equally in the eyes of the government.
We are not all created equally in the eyes of biology, intelligence, skill, etc.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 10:23 pm to Scruffy
that's what i mean
when did this bastardization occur?
when did this bastardization occur?
Posted on 5/3/15 at 11:32 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
All men ARE created equal. What they do with their life after their "creation" will differ greatly.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 12:05 am to GreatLakesTiger24
We're all shite. Hunks of sentient carbon on this flying ball of rock and water, hurtling through space at 900 miles per second, through a galaxy that we are an infinitesimally insignificant part of.
Kings whose dynasties ruled for hundreds of years are forgotten today. Relagated to the dustbin of history.
You will die after a terribly brief interval upon this earth, be chucked into the dirt, and forgotten as your loved ones slowly stop bringing flowers to your grave. Eventually, your progeny, if you are lucky enough to have them, will forget where you are buried. Barring being some powerful psychopath who slaughters millions, you will be utterly disremembered except for a possible footnote on ancestry.com.
The world will move on and you will not. You will rot. So will we all.
And one day the Sun will explode and the great magnificence our species has created shall be snuffed in an instant. We as a race will have, metaphorically and literally, bit it.
So a bit of feel good words written on parchment isn't going to matter. Equal.
Hah. We're equal before we are alive and after.
That's it.
Kings whose dynasties ruled for hundreds of years are forgotten today. Relagated to the dustbin of history.
You will die after a terribly brief interval upon this earth, be chucked into the dirt, and forgotten as your loved ones slowly stop bringing flowers to your grave. Eventually, your progeny, if you are lucky enough to have them, will forget where you are buried. Barring being some powerful psychopath who slaughters millions, you will be utterly disremembered except for a possible footnote on ancestry.com.
The world will move on and you will not. You will rot. So will we all.
And one day the Sun will explode and the great magnificence our species has created shall be snuffed in an instant. We as a race will have, metaphorically and literally, bit it.
So a bit of feel good words written on parchment isn't going to matter. Equal.
Hah. We're equal before we are alive and after.
That's it.
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 12:13 am
Posted on 5/4/15 at 12:07 am to GreatLakesTiger24
i can always count on you to frick these people up with some truth
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:26 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Created equally as in born with the same inherent rights.
And the government they sought to create was to protect those rights equally for all under the law.
And the government they sought to create was to protect those rights equally for all under the law.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:43 am to Cilantro Bodega
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And one day the Sun will explode and the great magnificence our species has created shall be snuffed in an instant. We as a race will have, metaphorically and literally, bit it.
If our species manages to last another 5.4 billion years then I'd guarantee the sun exploding wouldn't be a problem.
I don't see us lasting a million
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