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re: AZ/AZ State spinoff thread: 5 CFB programs that shouldn't suck like they do
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:22 pm to Sevendust912
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:22 pm to Sevendust912
Do you understand what Coog High did in the SWC? they are not some school like Fresno or San Jose St, they have a history of success in multiple sports and they just get caught doing things that make SMU look like choir boys. Yoemann had a drawer full of cash and admitted to it. Jenkins was just an idiot. They got left out when realignment happened because people knew they could be good, but they would also bring everyone else down with them when they get caught.
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Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:24 pm to GhostofCrowell
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Cal
Has some of the most difficult admission standards in the country.
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North Carolina
See above. Butch Davis was only successful as a result of academic fraud and tampered grades for certain players.
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Rutgers
In the heart of basketball country.
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Maryland
You could make a legitimate case on behalf on Maryland. There is plenty of talent in the Washington metro area to support a successful program.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:25 pm to sms151t
I understand Houston's history, but times change. Andre Ware isn't coming back and just because they were good 30-40 years ago doesn't mean they have any business being good now.
Teams like TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma State that used to be on Houston's level have all stepped up their programs making it all the more difficult for the Coogs.
Teams like TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma State that used to be on Houston's level have all stepped up their programs making it all the more difficult for the Coogs.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:25 pm to lsutigers1992
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5. (tie) UNLV/Hawaii: I know the schools' commitment to football is weak, but come on. It shouldn't be hard to get at least 3-star talent to come to Vegas and Hawaii.
Vegas- hard to get steady fan base, who wants to spend a Saturday night in Vegas at a football game? Also like the posters said, can't really do anything there until you're 21 and even if you could, good luck getting parents to sign off on sending their kids to sin city
Hawaii- beautiful place but it is off the mainland. Parents would hate to be that far away from their kids. Like it or not Parents play a huge part in where kids go to play on the next level
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:26 pm to Sevendust912
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I understand Houston's history, but times change. Andre Ware isn't coming back and just because they were good 30-40 years ago doesn't mean they have any business being good now. Teams like TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma State that used to be on Houston's level have all stepped up their programs making it all the more difficult for the Coogs.
When Houston was in it's prime, the Texas/Oklahoma area was even more competitive than it is today. The Big 8 wasn't nothing to frick with
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:27 pm to wildtigercat93
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Vegas- hard to get steady fan base, who wants to spend a Saturday night in Vegas at a football game? Also like the posters said, can't really do anything there until you're 21 and even if you could, good luck getting parents to sign off on sending their kids to sin city
Good point and it's also all transplants, so everyone out there has other allegiances.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:28 pm to Sevendust912
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UNC gets them in for basketball and football
UNC also should have received major NCAA sanctions, if not the death penalty, by this point. They have grossly undermined their own academic standards and are a disgrace to collegiate athletics.
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UVA's problem has been coaching
Bingo. That continues to be their biggest issue.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:28 pm to Sevendust912
It wasn't because of Andre Ware they were good. They had a roster full of bought players. You can argue and rightfully so, that Case Keenum was better than Ware at Coog High. It is even shown how important Keenum was to Coog High for 3 years.
They are in a talent pool that is incredible, they don't have to leave the metro to recruit, and they can get the kids in school that can just fill in their names on the SAT/ACT. I think San Jac and Blinn have better academic standards than that place.
They are in a talent pool that is incredible, they don't have to leave the metro to recruit, and they can get the kids in school that can just fill in their names on the SAT/ACT. I think San Jac and Blinn have better academic standards than that place.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:32 pm to sms151t
UCLA and San Diego St should be better than what they are.
UCLA has history but when they decide to flame out they do it in grand style. San Diego has a good history, a name, but I understand its hard for them to recruit top tier talent. They get everyone's scraps and misses.
UCLA has history but when they decide to flame out they do it in grand style. San Diego has a good history, a name, but I understand its hard for them to recruit top tier talent. They get everyone's scraps and misses.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:34 pm to sms151t
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They are in a talent pool that is incredible, they don't have to leave the metro to recruit, and they can get the kids in school that can just fill in their names on the SAT/ACT. I think San Jac and Blinn have better academic standards than that place.
I get that, but they are behind Texas, AM, TT, Baylor, and TCU in the pecking order in their own state. Then you have nearby programs like LSU, OU, OSU, Arky, and even Missou that are better options for recruits.
I get that Texas has a ton of talent, but when you are at best the 10th best local option it's not as great it starts to run out.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:37 pm to Sevendust912
They aren't behind Tech in pecking order. TCU and Baylor usually don't hit Houston as hard as Dallas and San Antonio. Teams do not go into Houston to get the Yates kids. They cant get them eligible, but they are eligible at Coog High.
Houston inner city kids getting eligible is like getting a Mississippi Public school eligible, its rarely done without magic.
Reason they aren't behind Tech is nobody wants to go to Lubbock, its worse than Baghdad.
Houston inner city kids getting eligible is like getting a Mississippi Public school eligible, its rarely done without magic.
Reason they aren't behind Tech is nobody wants to go to Lubbock, its worse than Baghdad.
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Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:41 pm to lsutigers1992
North Carolina should be a perennial threat for the playoffs.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:43 pm to lsutigers1992
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We haven't been bad for 10 years and an LSU fan should know that but I get what you are saying
When I went to LSU they couldn't get to bowl games and after I left they were dancing in the streets because they got invited to Shreveport. Technically .500 isn't "suck," but for a program of that magnitude it is. That's how I feel about Tennessee.
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I just meant our 9 and 10 win seasons in 06 and 07 and east championship in 07 haven't less than a decade ago, all I was saying. Not a big deal
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:44 pm to Wishnitwas1998
Tennessee will be back sooner rather than later. Fulmer getting complacent and the Dooley hire really fricked them up, but they have too many things going for him to continue to suck.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:45 pm to ZZTIGERS
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I always thought that one of the New Mexico colleges should be better than they are. Bordering Texas, Oklahoma & Arizona, along with California one state away, you would think that with even the left over recruits from that area, they would be more competitive. Although, there are a lot miles between those areas too. IDK, I may be way off.
New Mexico State has always been dog shite, but for a while New Mexico was pretty respectable, along the lines of a Colorado state type program. The last 7 or 8 years they have been absolutely dreadful though.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:52 pm to lsutigers1992
Maryland- #1 college team in two major media, lots of in-state talent, Under Armour money
Virginia- elite academics, great in-state talent, beautiful campus in a nice area
Rutgers- Horrific football history despite being in a huge market with pretty good in-state talent
Pittsburgh
Illinois
Virginia- elite academics, great in-state talent, beautiful campus in a nice area
Rutgers- Horrific football history despite being in a huge market with pretty good in-state talent
Pittsburgh
Illinois
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:00 pm to Bench McElroy
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Pittsburgh
Pitt's problem is Steve Pederson. He has got to be the worst AD in the country and the fact that they have let him hang around this long speaks volumes about the administrations feelings towards athletics.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:00 pm to lsutigers1992
If it hasn't happened by now for these schools, it's not happening.
Tennessee is probably the only one of the 5 you listed that could consistently put out an above average team but even that seems like a tall order at this point.
I am not saying these schools can't be successful with an above average team every now and then just that they will always be up and down with a bigger emphasis on down.
Tennessee is probably the only one of the 5 you listed that could consistently put out an above average team but even that seems like a tall order at this point.
I am not saying these schools can't be successful with an above average team every now and then just that they will always be up and down with a bigger emphasis on down.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:05 pm to Sevendust912
Pederson is no longer at Pitt I thought? Did he not resign or get fired in 2014?
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:09 pm to sms151t
Damn just checked and you are right. Maybe now the backyard brawl will be played again.
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