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re: Crazy Religious-type dream....and I'm not religious....
Posted on 4/9/15 at 5:06 pm to Boondock Saint
Posted on 4/9/15 at 5:06 pm to Boondock Saint
You must have misunderstood me. I had something hanging around my house a few years ago that I personally experienced, along with my entire immediate family. No fairy tales here, buddy.
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Posted on 4/9/15 at 5:41 pm to BigEdLSU
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You must have misunderstood me. I had something hanging around my house a few years ago that I personally experienced, along with my entire immediate family. No fairy tales here, buddy.
Nothing you say will convince them of what they believe. The have to accept the call of the Holy Spirit on their lives. Until they do that, they only live in the logical world they can see.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:10 pm to The Eric
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Nothing you say will convince them of what they believe. The have to accept the call of the Holy Spirit on their lives. Until they do that, they only live in the logical world they can see.
And yet if you present them with something, say, like a letter to a conquering king, written to him hundreds of years prior by God, that names the king by name, they still will find a way to blow it off.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:24 pm to Meauxjeaux
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And yet if you present them with something, say, like a letter to a conquering king, written to him hundreds of years prior by God, that names the king by name, they still will find a way to blow it off.
Hey, link me to some evidentiary sources. I'm not hiding from anything.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:28 pm to Gr8t8s
You are on the knife thrower's wheel. Eventually you will take a knife in the gut. Satan definitely has your attention, whispering constantly in your ear, even in holy places.
However, God wants you to know that he is there, right up until the point where you take a knife. Then it will be too late.
I have no idea what the word "meant" means, but it is likely significant. Perhaps if you were better educated, you would believe.
However, God wants you to know that he is there, right up until the point where you take a knife. Then it will be too late.
I have no idea what the word "meant" means, but it is likely significant. Perhaps if you were better educated, you would believe.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:07 pm to Tigerlaff
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I also think it contains some of the best moral philosophy ever written (along with some of the worst).
What do you think are some of the worst moral philosophies?
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:12 pm to The First Cut
Absolute obedience to authority.
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 9:13 pm
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:13 pm to Tigerlaff
Where does it say that? Every man of faith I have ever known has struggled with his faith at some point in his life. Try another.
Your edit is even farther from scriptural.
Your edit is even farther from scriptural.
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 4/10/15 at 8:39 am to Tigerlaff
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Hey, link me to some evidentiary sources. I'm not hiding from anything.
Here's one.
Isaiah 44: 24-28 and 45. Study it and then study the story of Cyrus taking siege of the city of Babylon and conquering it without a shot.
When Cyrus took Babylon he was presented a letter by Daniel, written to him 150-200 years prior by God (through Isaiah) that named him by name. Then find the other scriptures where will states Babylon will fall without a "shot being fired" so to speak.
Then study that A) Babylon did fall, B) It fell by Cyrus and C) It fell without a battle. Study that when Cyrus was presented this letter he decreed that the Jews (and others by the way) be freed from captivity and allowed to return home. (along with others. But he also decreed that Jerusalem be rebuilt and the temple too and provided means and support for doing so... which he did not do for other ethnicities that were allowed to return out of captivity from Babylon.
There are non-Biblical texts that support this as well.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 8:45 am to Meauxjeaux
I should add to that... this scenario presents itself over and over and over in the Bible... it is it's method of self-authentication. Telling of events in excruciating detail long before they ever happen.
No other text, and thus no other religion, can claim such things and have it demonstrably proven true.
All that being said, I totally understand that no matter how strong the "evidence" is, the majority of man will harden their hearts against God and refuse to believe.
If you continue into Revelation, it's astonishing how strong the "signs" become and men still refuse to open their hearts and minds to it. I wonder why that is.
No other text, and thus no other religion, can claim such things and have it demonstrably proven true.
All that being said, I totally understand that no matter how strong the "evidence" is, the majority of man will harden their hearts against God and refuse to believe.
If you continue into Revelation, it's astonishing how strong the "signs" become and men still refuse to open their hearts and minds to it. I wonder why that is.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 9:24 am to Gr8t8s
Your life is spinning out of control and others are giving you bad advice. You know what you need to do to take control, but if you don't act soon, then the chance will fade away.
Do the right thing now.
Do the right thing now.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 9:29 am to Tigerlaff
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Absolute obedience to authority.
Not quite what it says.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 9:41 am to Meauxjeaux
No kidding. Meshach wasn't exactly an obedient subject, was he? 
Posted on 4/10/15 at 9:41 am to Meauxjeaux
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Not quite what it says.
Actually, it's diametrically opposed to absolute authority. None of our sins can separate us from the love of God. We are free to do and act as we please. If we choose to turn from God it's our own choice.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 9:54 am to Meauxjeaux
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I should add to that... this scenario presents itself over and over and over in the Bible... it is it's method of self-authentication. Telling of events in excruciating detail long before they ever happen.
No other text, and thus no other religion, can claim such things and have it demonstrably proven true.
This is the part you guys fail to grasp...this could be true of ANY novel. If you're only requirement is that the book you're reading self authenticates itself WITHIN the same book, then you're not asking for any actual evidence and you're not being intellectually honest.
Taking your story regarding Cyrus...how do you know ANY of that is true? Do we have the letter today? Is it dated to when The Bible states it was written? Do we have any contemporary outside sources with no ties to this faith that authenticate this claim? Do we know any of it actually happened...at all?
You see...this type of claim would not warrant your interest today assuming it was a claim made by someone in another faith. Yet...you set it in the pre-scientific middle east and suddenly we have to take every claim at face value...even the supernatural ones. We are FAR more skeptical of things today...why are we far less so about a time when people believed what we know to be complete horseshite about their natural world?
And let me be clear...because it's often stated that all atheists believe this and it's NOT true. I do not think religious people are stupid, not that you'd care other than using it as a thing to claim I feel. Clearly some of the most brilliant minds in history have been religious people. What I will say is that I think that ALL religious people suffer from the same thing, and that's a blind spot where their intellect refuses to assess their own faith in the same way they assess the claims (both faith based and not) of others. The argument I'm making regarding your claim is sound...I have "faith" that you see this clearly if we were talking about the claims of others. But when it comes to yours...nope. Suddenly I'm not seeing clearly, when in fact I can and do use the same argument for all faith based claims across the board.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 9:55 am to The First Cut
WellI would say that God wants absolute obedience to His authority and knows we can't ever do it, which is the message and purpose of Christ.
Second to that, God does expect obedience to authorities placed over us, government, boss, etc, unless what that authority commands is contrary to God.
Second to that, God does expect obedience to authorities placed over us, government, boss, etc, unless what that authority commands is contrary to God.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 9:58 am to GeauxTigerTM
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This is the part you guys fail to grasp...this could be true of ANY novel.
Ok, so show me another novel where it's true.
Any works that tell me next years superbowl winner and who the MVP is? Or maybe something from 200 years ago that discussed the Bay of Pigs?
The part you refuse to grasp is that there is no other "novel" that does what the Bible does.
You are where you are and I am where I am. I'm cool with that.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:55 pm to Meauxjeaux
Posted on 4/10/15 at 2:24 pm to Meauxjeaux
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The part you refuse to grasp is that there is no other "novel" that does what the Bible does.
The Bible doesn't do what you think it does. You got duped.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 2:27 pm to Green_Tangerine
Yes it does. You're duped.
See how that works? That's where you and I stand.
See how that works? That's where you and I stand.
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