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Posted on 4/7/15 at 3:00 pm to canyon
Sorry for not making separate levels of evil once you get to human experimentation that leads to pain, suffering, and death.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 3:11 pm to Dr RC
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Sorry for not making separate levels of evil once you get to human experimentation that leads to pain, suffering, and death.
Sadly, we did that with the bomb. I can't defend the effects of the weapon, except to the point that:
1. We didn't know how bad it was going to be.
2. We tested it on ourselves, first.
3. We did the best we could to help with the damage we caused.
4. War is hell and sometimes civilians suffer for their leaders' mistakes.
5. They started it.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 3:11 pm to SEClint
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You never hear any awesome experiment stories. Like, "these men were captured and were given 5 different beautiful women a night for their entire capture to test the limits of man's primal desires".
Aha! The real reason McCain can't lift his arms above his head now
Posted on 4/7/15 at 3:21 pm to wadewilson
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I, for one, think removing one's esophagus and sewing it directly into the intestines* is worse, but that's just me.
Wait. Who the frick did that? Like recycle your poo?
WTF. I THought that was a movie.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 3:25 pm to mikelbr
The Japanese did that to the Chinese and Russian POWs.
From the previously posted article
Instead of executing these horrible people we thanked them for their research and let them on their merry way.
From the previously posted article
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The Japanese armed forces committed a wide range of war crimes during brutal combat in the Pacific and China.
Images of Japanese soldiers using captured enemies for bayonet practice have become the symbol of Japanese barbarity, and the ordeals endured by Allied prisoners on the Bataan Death March and construction of the Burma-Siam railroad are well known in popular culture.
Allied airmen who were shot down over Japanese held territory could usually expect to be killed if they were able to bail out, often after terrible torture or a short arbitrary 'trial'.
But aside from the atrocities at Kyushu University, a group of medics known as Unit 731 carried out thousands of experiments on Chinese and Russian prisoners of war.
In a camp in northern China, thousands of prisoners were infected with various diseases and subjected to invasive surgery without anesthesia to study the effects. Limbs were also amputated and re-attached in unnatural positions, and some victims' esophegeal tracts were attached directly to their intestines.
Others were used to test grenades and flame throwers.
The architects of Unit 731 were given immunity after the war so Soviet and US forces could study their data on biological warfare.
Instead of executing these horrible people we thanked them for their research and let them on their merry way.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 3:29 pm to Dr RC
Well that's just fricked up. I still think the point is valid that our own government insidiously and frickeduply infected our own citizens with an STD that they let them DIE from it. It's worthy of comparison to these atrocities.
Dying from syphilis is apparently a fricked up way to go. And at some point these young men had to know they were being fricked up and disposed of before death. That part bothers me the most, behind it being our own citizens. But than again, I'm on opposite ends of the spectrum from TIGERLEE with regards to civil rights.
I mean for frick's sake. Only cure these guys so they can go to war for the US? sheesh.
from Wiki
Dying from syphilis is apparently a fricked up way to go. And at some point these young men had to know they were being fricked up and disposed of before death. That part bothers me the most, behind it being our own citizens. But than again, I'm on opposite ends of the spectrum from TIGERLEE with regards to civil rights.
I mean for frick's sake. Only cure these guys so they can go to war for the US? sheesh.
from Wiki
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During World War II, 250 of the subject men registered for the draft. These men were consequently diagnosed as having syphilis at military induction centers and ordered to obtain treatment for syphilis before they could be taken into the armed services.[18] PHS researchers attempted to prevent these men from getting treatment, thus depriving them of chances for a cure. A PHS representative was quoted at the time saying: "So far, we are keeping the known positive patients from getting treatment."[18] Despite this, 96% of the 90 original test subjects reexamined in 1963 had received either arsenical or penicillin treatments from another health provider.[19]
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 3:31 pm to Hammertime
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Posted by Hammertime
Trying to figure out why their penises were blurry and US penises were not
Otherwise this is a horrible thing to read
Posted on 4/8/15 at 6:09 am to Darth_Vader
The difference is the Japanese people, from top to bottom, thought the same way and treated POWS and civilians the same. That includes the Jap regular army.
Over in Germany often its the SS that committed the atrocities. There is a reason West German was able to be quickly re-integrated into Western Society.... after De-Nazification and we forced their entire country to do its own walk of shame.
Over in Germany often its the SS that committed the atrocities. There is a reason West German was able to be quickly re-integrated into Western Society.... after De-Nazification and we forced their entire country to do its own walk of shame.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 7:22 am to Darth_Vader
Dear God. 
The Japanese loved their atrocities.
Having lived in Kyushu very near Fukuoka for a couple of years this just makes it more clear that I should have nailed even more Japanese chicks while there.
The Japanese loved their atrocities. Having lived in Kyushu very near Fukuoka for a couple of years this just makes it more clear that I should have nailed even more Japanese chicks while there.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:29 am to Bamadiver
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I completely respect my grandfather and his brother's opinions of the Japanese that they expressed in my presence when I was younger.
Don't get my Dad started about the Japanese. He took the Pacific Cruise from 1943-1945, and, to this day, thinks very little of the Sons of Nippon. It's really funny to listen to him and my father in law, who was a veteran of Korea, talk about their former foes.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:34 am to Dr RC
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I don't see that as being any more horrifying than something like the Tuskegee syphilis experiments that we were doing right around the same time.
Then you are a fricking moron. The Tuskegee experiments were utterly disgusting, but they were OPENING UP HUMAN BEINGS AND CUTTING ORGANS OUT TO SEE HOW LONG THEY LIVED.
We get it, America has done some pretty shameful stuff, but when you make asinine comments like that, frankly it makes people just think you are not credible anymore.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:37 am to Dr RC
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Sorry for not making separate levels of evil once you get to human experimentation that leads to pain, suffering, and death.
Oh ok, so the Tuskegee experiments were equal to the Holocaust? The Germans were only experimenting to see how much better the world would be without 5 million or so Jews.
Done. I'm just done with this thread.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:46 am to wadewilson
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Not to be one-upped, Genghis Khan killed about 11% of the population of the world in his time.
The Mongols also introduced the Plague to Europe in the first documented case of biological warfare.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:53 am to Darth_Vader
Grandfather was a japanese pow, would never buy anything made there afterwards.
Uncle told me a story where he was working some type of labor job and kept tossing the shovels the boss would buy in the cement mixer to break them since they were made in japan
Uncle told me a story where he was working some type of labor job and kept tossing the shovels the boss would buy in the cement mixer to break them since they were made in japan
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:24 am to mikelbr
Look up Unit 731. If you still want to compare that to anything that happened in Tuskegee, you're off base.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:27 am to Jcorye1
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Oh ok, so the Tuskegee experiments were equal to the Holocaust? The Germans were only experimenting to see how much better the world would be without 5 million or so Jews.
Done. I'm just done with this thread.
It's Old Testament logic. "Stealing is just as bad of a sin as murder."
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:34 am to Mizzoufan26
And yet just a decade after the war the country was rebuilt, they ere wildly pro-American, and our biggest partner in the region. And now they have imported our movies, music and pop culture and love American culture in general. They are also admirers of our "supa-genki" high -energy, "can-do" American spirit. And are probably the most hospitable people on the planet to Americans. There are Americans living in virtually every city in Japan, paid by the Japanese government to teach their children Engrish. I in fact, lived with Japanese families for two years and they are without a doubt as gracious a people as exists.
So while we DEFINITELY should remember and document/discuss these atrocities let's not forget that Japan has in their way not only capitulated on the field of battle, but made amends in all the TRULY important ways. They have gone from a truly reprehensible government to a country worthy of much respect in a relatively short period of time. Not perfect, but about as good as we have a right to hope for.
So while we DEFINITELY should remember and document/discuss these atrocities let's not forget that Japan has in their way not only capitulated on the field of battle, but made amends in all the TRULY important ways. They have gone from a truly reprehensible government to a country worthy of much respect in a relatively short period of time. Not perfect, but about as good as we have a right to hope for.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:53 am to Moustache
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This. The only mistake made was that they didn't drop another on Tokyo.
Tokyo had already been devastated by relentless fire bombings. In fact, Nagasaki and Hiroshima were two of few the major cities remaining in Japan that hadn't already been largely wiped out by previous bombing campaigns.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:59 am to ChewyDante
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Tokyo had already been devastated by relentless fire bombings. In fact, Nagasaki and Hiroshima were two of few the major cities remaining in Japan that hadn't already been largely wiped out by previous bombing campaigns.
Pretty much this. There was one fire bombing mission that actually did more damage and killed more people than either of the A-bombs dropped on Hiroshima or Nagasaki.
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The atomic bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki have dominated the retelling of WWII history, but as a single attack the bombing of Tokyo was more destructive.
The firestorms killed about 100,000 civilians and wiped out about half of the city.
The US military had waited for a clear and windy night to inflict maximum damage, and on March 9, 1945 the conditions were perfect.
Three hundred B29 bombers dropped nearly 500,000 cylinders of napalm and petroleum jelly on the most densely populated areas of Tokyo.
The raid, which came a month after the firebombing of Dresden, brought mass incineration of civilians to a new horrific level.
LINK
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