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Posted on 3/27/15 at 4:42 pm to TTsTowel
Good article on why he belongs
https://www.footballperspective.com/joe-namath-has-become-footballs-most-misunderstood-quarterback/
https://www.footballperspective.com/joe-namath-has-become-footballs-most-misunderstood-quarterback/
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He was among the best ever at avoiding sacks, an often overlooked but key element of effective quarterback play. He played in one of the worst eras for quarterbacks to compile strong passing stats, which is why his numbers don’t compare to modern quarterbacks.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 4:42 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Unitas, Tarkington, Staubach, griese, Bradshaw, Starr, Dawson are better. Hell, for the Bama fans, stabler is as good or better
Posted on 3/27/15 at 4:44 pm to ClientNumber9
quote:That's my point. Even comparing him to his own era he was only slightly above average
As you can see, being at 105% means he was about 5% above the league average. In these critical stat categories, Namath was very average. Good? Maybe. You might could make that case. But HOF worthy? No way.
Look at his adjusted stat line for 2012. That's a little better than average for the modern era. Namath of the 1960s equals Jay Cutler of 2012.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 4:44 pm to SDVTiger
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He played in one of the worst eras for quarterbacks to compile strong passing stats, which is why his numbers don’t compare to modern quarterbacks.
Read my post from p.5. He was slightly above his contemporaries in almost every critical category. He was only 5-7% better than the league average in completion %, TDs, and QB rating.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 4:45 pm to lsupride87
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lsupride87
And I'm 100% in agreement with your position.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 4:57 pm to SDVTiger
Namath's receivers: Don Maynard (HOF), George Sauer (good possession WR who retired very early), Rich Castor(WR/TE),TE Pete Lammons.
C John Schmitt, OT's Dave Hermann and Winston Hill
Just from memory.
C John Schmitt, OT's Dave Hermann and Winston Hill
Just from memory.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 4:58 pm to TTsTowel
He won a championship with the Jets. That fact alone is why he isn't overrated as a QB.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 5:01 pm to lsupride87
quote:Starr, Dawson, and Griese were not better than Namath.
Unitas, Tarkington, Staubach, griese, Bradshaw, Starr, Dawson are better.
Unitas, yes. Bradshaw, yes. Staubach, yes. Tarkenton, maybe.
Starr, Griese, and Dawson were all good QB's who played on great teams, for great coaches, with great defenses and great offensive talent.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 5:32 pm to L.A.
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You lost me there. How does what I wrote have anything to do with a baseball player? In which part do you see a correlation?
It is a comparison of the Fact That Maris was really only known for the 1961 season when he broke the Babes single season HR record.......
Posted on 3/27/15 at 5:33 pm to TTsTowel
Stat mining sucks
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Namath led the Tide to a national championship in 1964. During his time at Alabama, Namath led the team to a 29–4 record over three seasons.
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"The greatest athlete I ever coached" - Bear Bryant
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As a rookie in 1965, Namath split time with Mike Taliaferro, and the Jets were winless in their first six games. He then led them to winds in five of the last eight games. Namath was named the American Football League Rookie of the year.
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He became the first professional quarterback to pass for 4,000 yards in a season (1967)
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He was plagued with knee injuries through much of his career and underwent four pioneering knee operations by Dr. James A. Nicholas. On some occasions, Namath had to have his knee drained at halftime so that he could finish a game
Posted on 3/27/15 at 5:41 pm to TTsTowel
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I'm sorry he and the coaching staff weren't smart enough to adjust to other schemes. "Look, Joe, just chunk the shite out of the ball. Go deep every play. That's the plan." fricking retarded
You are young and stupid about the old AFL... They wanted to bring excitement to the game of football.. They wanted deep routes and post patterns....Do some research on other QB's in the AFL from 1960 to 1970... Hadl,Lamonica,and so on.....
Posted on 3/27/15 at 5:41 pm to dukke v
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the Fact That Maris was really only known for the 1961 season when he broke the Babes single season HR record.......
When Maris was also a two-time MVP.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 5:46 pm to L.A.
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Tarkenton, maybe.
He was way better than Joe. Sorry.
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Starr, Griese, and Dawson were all good QB's who played on great teams, for great coaches, with great defenses and great offensive talent.
I agree with this....Different offenses as well.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:08 pm to dukke v
quote:It's hard for me to compare the two. It's like comparing Pete Rose and Willie Stargell. They both played the same sport, in the same era, and both excelled. However, they did it very differently.
He was way better than Joe. Sorry.
Tarkenton played forever. He had a 17 or 18 year career, retiring around age 39 or so. So he had a longer career to pad his stats. He introduced the art of "scrambling" to the NFL, but he made his living on short to intermediate passes.
Namath was a very different player, with a very different career. When I'm trying to decide who was better between players of past eras, I usually ask myself would I trade player A for player B? I think I would have traded Namath to acquire Tarkenton, so that's why I said "maybe" on Tarkenton. but it's not clear cut in my mind because they were such different players.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:13 pm to L.A.
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Tarkenton played forever. He had a 17 or 18 year career, retiring around age 39 or so. So he had a longer career to pad his stats. He introduced the art of "scrambling" to the NFL, but he made his living on short to intermediate passes.
Well Fran played his whole carreer in the NFL compared to Joe playing in the AFL... Fran took the Vikes to 3 SB's.. I know they lost and they had a great D but fran was an important part as well....
Joe was a bomber and it fit with what the AFL wanted.... I don't overate Jowe as much as the OP does.But He deserves to be in the HOF... Gaurantee or not. He led the Jets to victory in the most important game in changing the NFL forever.......
Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:27 pm to dukke v
quote:Well, you're old and stupid but that is well known around here.
You are young and stupid
Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:32 pm to League Champs
quote:What does that have to do with anything? AJ McCarron ring a bell?
Namath led the Tide to a national championship in 1964. During his time at Alabama, Namath led the team to a 29–4 record over three seasons
quote:Cool. Michael Vick was a great athlete. Quarterback, not so much.
"The greatest athlete I ever coached" - Bear Bryant
quote:We are all aware, and I even admitted that he had a good season that year.
As a rookie in 1965, Namath split time with Mike Taliaferro, and the Jets were winless in their first six games. He then led them to winds in five of the last eight games. Namath was named the American Football League Rookie of the year.
quote:While leading the league in interceptions. Sorry, but throwing for a ton of yards means nothing to me. It's an awesome stat for the time period, but he only got to 4,000 by throwing a ton. His completion percentage was awful as well that year.
He became the first professional quarterback to pass for 4,000 yards in a season (1967)
quote:Nobody said he wasn't tough.
He was plagued with knee injuries through much of his career and underwent four pioneering knee operations by Dr. James A. Nicholas. On some occasions, Namath had to have his knee drained at halftime so that he could finish a game
Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:36 pm to TTsTowel
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"The greatest athlete I ever coached" - Bear Bryant
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Cool. Michael Vick was a great athlete. Quarterback, not so much.
You are so fricking stupid.... You don't know shite about Namath and yet you cut him down. You know OTHING about Bear Bryant and you are cutting him down.... 
Posted on 3/27/15 at 7:22 pm to TTsTowel
Oh look it's the retarded troll again.
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